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Is Python's tooling incredibly difficult, or am I just stupid? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 1 month ago by zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works to c/programming@programming.dev
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So I'm no expert, but I have been a hobbyist C and Rust dev for a while now, and I've installed tons of programs from GitHub and whatnot that required manual compilation or other hoops to jump through, but I am constantly befuddled installing python apps. They seem to always need a very specific (often outdated) version of python, require a bunch of venv nonsense, googling gives tons of outdated info that no longer works, and generally seem incredibly not portable. As someone who doesn't work in python, it seems more obtuse than any other language's ecosystem. Why is it like this?

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[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How to improve Python packaging, or why fourteen tools are at least twelve too many

Still relevant.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No it's not. E.g. nobody who starts a new project uses setup.py anymore

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

OP seems to be trying to install older projects, rather than creating a new project.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you sure? I'm not very active in that ecosystem, but if that was prevalent in the past, surely there's still tutorials and stuff out there that people would follow and create such projects even today?

More than that, it seems to me that the official python docs for packaging [still] talks about setup.py. Why would people not use that?

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, there was some hyperbole. Some people need some specific setuptools plugin or something. Almost nobody.

[–] snowe@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

when the official docs are telling you to use it, then it's used. You can have no expectation of people to think the tooling isn't shit when it's literally the official recommendation.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It doesn't. read the first words behind the link you posted:

Page Status: Outdated

Here is the actual one: https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/tutorials/packaging-projects/