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I was gonna title this "And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price you have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice" and then write "Stuck inside of America with the fascism blues again" here, but I'm not sure if that comes off like gloating and that's honestly the last thing I want to do this morning.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They don't need to lie, they just need to get better at being direct and stip pulling punches or taking the high road to avoid offending moderates or whatever their stupid logic is.

Instead of cozying up to Cheney, just call Trump a felon constantly, remind people about how he put migrants in cages and is now using durect nazi rhetoric against them. Those aren't lies, and they jind of half assed brought them up, but they need to actually lean in hard and constantly.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

They did call him a felon constantly! They plastered everything he says in every outlet, screamed his threats at the top of their lungs.

No one cares!

That doesn't get you in people's facebook, tiktok, and youtube feeds.

Dems need a candidate who's already famous. They need one totally unchained, unhinged, who would say awful but barely not illegal things in public, so they're plastered on every news outlet constantly. They need someone who's a little iffy about vaccines, who will print money and send people fat checks with their face stamped on it, who will straight up collude with the powerful in public, so calling it out does nothing.

They need a liberal Trump.

I'm not sure who it would be... maybe a big pop star that kinda loses their marbles? Think Taylor Swift. But the dems are not going to win a Trumpist election running someone like Bidden, Harris, Bernie, AoC or whatever.

[–] turddle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don’t think it has to explicitly be a shitty person but the Left definitely needs to realize it’s a popularity contest. Charisma and moxie win it cuz voters want it simple.

Look how FDR swept Hoover. Went around promising Happy Days are Here Again and he’ll whip the government into fixing the individual’s problems. Blasted his aura on the radio and newsreels which kept voters’ eyes on him. Then kept them for 3 more terms by saying fuck the red tape and making tangible things happen (which is probably what drives people to Trump despite the different results)

People want to back the cool guy who tells em it’ll be alright. Simple as

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then kept them for 3 more terms by saying fuck the red tape and making tangible things happen (which is probably what drives people to Trump despite the different results)

Please don't kill me, but I saw this appeal when Trump first ran. In 2016, his rhetoric on withdrawing from foreign wars and similar stuff, when Hillary was the other choice, was very appealing. Of course my eyes were opened wide by his actual statements/history, and then his presidency.

I think what's different now is the feedback loop is broken. In the 30s, I assume people connected what FDR was doing to what was happening. Everyone lived in the same reality.

But now people live in complete personalized realities inside their phones and apps. Perception is extremely selective, issues are complicate. And just, like, looking him up on Wikipedia and news archives like I do is completely alien now. I know children and relatives who literally don't know how to use the internet and just live in their scrolling feeds.

[–] turddle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nah you’re completely right. The appeal was that he’d push past the usual ineffectualness of politics and get things done.

Bumble through the red tape too quickly for consequences to catch him while claiming everything as a win.

The warping of reality hides what he’s actually doing/who he is and too many people are just red team vs blue now so will keep on supporting. They’ll think a win for him is a win for them and won’t look further to think otherwise (because who wants to think they’ve lost?).

Almost wish Biden would’ve gone full Mr. Bean and just oopsied his way through using executive power. Oops, forgave student loans. Oops, taxed the rich. Oops, legal weed. Trump already showed the system is too slow to stop it and doing things that actually helped folks would be disastrous for any group trying to undo it once people felt the effects. Oh well..

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Almost wish Biden would’ve gone full Mr. Bean and just oopsied his way through using executive power. Oops, forgave student loans. Oops, taxed the rich. Oops, legal weed. Trump already showed the system is too slow to stop it and doing things that actually helped folks would be disastrous for any group trying to undo it once people felt the effects. Oh well…

He was trying to preserve the image of the US president as being dignified. measured and cognizant, but only now are we certain that's not what voters want.

[–] turddle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They want President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You joke.

But do you think, say, MrBeast would lose if he ran for president? No way he would.

[–] turddle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Haha maybe not my choice since his appeal is very focused to one group but maybe that’s a good thing? Would draw the young vote out at least. And we now know scandals aren’t something that affect eligibility.

Either way, def time to find someone who grabs attention. Even the governator served two terms as an R in California (and wasn't the worst all things considered)

Ideally someone who could court the rural vote… but most famous dudes of that nature are staunch GOP

[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

But I don't know who that is, lol. Not until now.

[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Dems need a candidate who's already famous. They need one totally unchained, unhinged, who would say awful but barely not illegal things in public, so they're plastered on every news outlet constantly.

They need a liberal Trump.

What chuds like about Trump is that he jokes around and appears to be passionate about what he talks about, and instead of backing down when challenged, will face it head on and double down. Someone who will spit in the face of his enemies without apologizing after. Get anyone who can riff and mock their enemies while standing firm on their positions.

They need someone who's a little iffy about vaccines, who will print money and send people fat checks with their face stamped on it, who will straight up collude with the powerful in public, so calling it out does nothing.

I dont think they actually like any of this, just the way he does it inspires confidence. They care very little about the actual policy specifics.

That's all they really want is confidence. They aren't confident in their place within a changing world and want someone who exudes that confidence so they can delegate their trust to someone who has it where they have none.

I only said Hasan because he's funny, comfortable being an asshole, confident, and isn't a pushover.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The checks, IMO, worked very well. People loved that.

Don't underestimate the power (and historical precedent) of simple populist policy. It's not super effective campaigning, but its very effective at keeping someone in office.