Have you SEEN the drama that happens in this place? I feel like this is just asking for weird nobodies to harass anyone who quietly disagrees with them.

If this passes then I'm outta here.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Please be aware that votes are effectively already public, just not shown in the Lemmy UI.

[–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was unaware of that. I thought it was only accessible to instance admins, and I think that's how it should be.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In Lemmy, only admins and mods can see votes. But most other ActivityPub implementations show votes freely and there's nothing in the protocol that makes votes private. Votes are inherently public - they are only hidden behind a curtain that is very easy to get around in Lemmy.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean, this starts to get moot if no one is aware doesn't it. You might dismiss the design as merely artificial obscurity, but if no one is pulling up the data, then the obscurity is working. The "curtain" you cite isn't trivial for the vast majority of users, which is what this is all about. Starting an instance and extracting the desirable data is a pretty tall hurdle where just the effort alone is prohibitive and enough to give someone a chance to calm down.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You don't need to start a whole instance to find votes, you just need a user on any of the services that show votes publicly.

Also, if someone is getting angry about downvotes in a bad way, moderators should just step in. People should learn that votes is just part of the system and accept them.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

you just need a user on any of the services that show votes publicly.

Well if that sort of thing started happening, I think it’d be reasonable to have that person blocked, banned or defederated.

IMO, What’s possible doesn’t need to dictate what’s easy and common, especially when there are always balances and countermeasures previously involved.

[–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I forgot other fediverse platforms interact with this place. So upvotes translate to likes on mastodon and other platforms? I still feel like this should be anonymized, but I also get how that could be exploited since likes aren't auditable in that case.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 10 points 4 months ago

Yes, upvotes are in fact just a Like object in ActivityPub and downvotes is a Dislike object. This translates to various other concepts in other ActvityPub apps, depending on what they choose to call it or how they handle them.

I still feel like this should be anonymized

There is no mechanism for doing this in ActivityPub at the moment. Also, you may not want that because it would then also be hidden from admins and mods, who would then be powerless to discover vote manipulation or downvote brigading and other nasty behavior. Having the votes be transparent is probably better as it allows people to discover this kind of behavior much more easily.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Why would this encourage harrassment? It would just expose harrassment.

There are bots that exist solely to downvote specific users and instances. If you and JacobRimJob downvote each other every time you see each other and eventually argue about it until it devolves into passionate lovemaking, tbats not what harrassment is.

It would also expose upvote bots promoting propoganda.

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It would encourage harassment the same way comment history does: someone goes looking for it, sees it, and attacks the person over it.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

If I say some shit you disagree with then feel free to engage with me. I'm literally here for discussions. What are you here for?

You should not be ashamed of your vote history.

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You should not be ashamed of your vote history.

I agree, people shouldn't be ashamed of their vote history unless they are trying to harass a person or community with a pattern of downvotes.

I still don't want to be harassed for my voting though, nor will I be pressured into defending my votes if a user brings it up.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I want to apologize for my needless aggression earlier. I spent the morning arguing with CCP propogandists and its got me seeing red. (see what I did there?)

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No worries! :)

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -2 points 4 months ago

They can come at me, I downvote every single hexbear post in the feed regardless of content.

[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or just block them.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, blocked users cannot see or vote on your content.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Are you sure? I thought blocking a user just prevents you from seeing their responses.

[–] higgsboson@dubvee.org 2 points 4 months ago

You are correct. On some clients, it also blocks you from seeing threads or posts where that user participates, but I believe that is a defect.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

I am not 100% but I am like 98.9%