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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that's the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That's basically 90% of every car owner.

It's one of those things where people feel like they're going to take a road trip every weekend, but most people are just using their car to commute to and from work and maybe take one or two longer trips per year. The time saved by not having to stop at a gas station throughout the the year is less than the additional time taken at a fast charging station for the rare road trip.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, people tend to buy vehicles to best accomplish 1% of their driving. I live in the suburbs and almost every house has a giant pickup parked in front. Not because people are in the construction business and need to haul a lot of stuff, but because once a year they might go to Home Depot and it feels good to put their two bags of mulch in the back.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Part of the problem is not having the money or space for an extra vehicle.

I drive an SUV, I don't particularly like driving an SUV, I get a lot of use out of having a larger vehicle, I'm an avid DIYer who makes frequent trips to the hardware store to pick up lumber and such, I have a lot of outdoor hobbies and usually end up being the one who drives so I'm carrying gear for several people, I don't exactly go off roading, but those hobbies sometimes take me on some poorly maintained, deeply rutted, muddy roads and 4wd has gotten me out of some jams, I occasionally drive onto the beach to go fishing, usually find myself towing a small trailer a couple times a year, and I'm an essential employee that lives in an area that gets snow with a weird schedule that usually has me commuting before the snow plows have gotten through everywhere.

But even though I probably get more actual use out of an SUV than most people, most often I'm still only driving about 20 miles or less a day, on paved roads, in weather that doesn't require anything more than working headlights, wipers, and tires that aren't totally bald.

If I had the budget and parking space I'd probably have the cheapest base model EV I could find for most of my commuting and small errands and save the SUV for my days off and when it snows. That's not the case though.

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I am so ready to hop on the PHEV or even full electric bandwagon.

I do have 2 major hurdles though.

First is there aren't a lot of vehicles out there, at an affordable price point for me that quite fit my needs. I've pretty much dialed in that a midsized SUV or small pickup truck is just right for me. There's some exciting options coming down the pipeline, but none that are out there have quite hit the sweet spot for me yet. (I am champing at the bit for Ford to release a PHEV AWD maverick with a midgate to make up for that short bed. That's basically my ideal vehicle, I'd also be stoked for Toyota to do a plug in 4runner, my current car is a 4runner and I like it a lot, if either of those happen before I'm ready for my next car theres a good chance that's what I'm getting)

Second is charging, I live in a townhome with no garage or driveway, so if I want to charge at home I'm pretty much stuck running about a 30ft extension cord across my front lawn and sidewalk. That's less than ideal, and my HOA hasn't exactly been friendly to others in my neighborhood who have gone electric who have done that. I can probably work around that though, the way my schedule works, unless I go in for overtime I usually don't work more than 3 days in a row, so if battery-only range gets a little better for PHEVs (which hopefully they will by the time I'm able to budget for a new car in a few years) I can probably do most of my commuting on one charge and find an hour or two on my days off to go somewhere with a fast charger.

In the meantime, I just try to get my wife to do as much of the driving as possible when we're both off since she has a prius, our schedules don't always align, but when they do I only drive if we need my bigger car for something.

It's a long way off, but we also fantasize about the possibilities of self-driving cars someday when all of the problems are worked out. Since we have different schedules (she works a regular 9-5, I work 3pm-3am on a 2-2-3 schedule,) we could have one self driving car for most of our commuting and errands, it could take her to work, come home and take me to work, pick her up and take her home, and pick me up at the end of my shift, and go charge itself in-between.

[–] potpotato@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

But 100% of the time they feel like they’ve got big ‘ole balls.

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

If they use a camper or heavy trailer even four times per year, fine whatever keep your truck. The other millions of Americans should've just rented a vehicle when they needed it, and it would've been far cheaper and more convenient to have their daily driver as a regular sized sedan.

[–] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's wild how little you end up actually needing more than 50 mi range. Even in a spread out California city, I rare use the ICE in my Volt

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Volt, nice choice. I wish there were more plug-in hybrids to choose from. Logically 50 miles on battery would suffice for most of my trips.

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

PHEV should've been the norm with ICE as a rare, overly expensive option. Since 2014 or earlier.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It took me a while to take the plunge, but I'm never going back

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The last time I heard someone say that, they were taking about bidets, and it was life changing.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

If I had to choose, the bidet was a bigger life improvement. Both are great though.