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A German state is ditching Windows and Microsoft Office for Linux and LibreOffice on the 30,000 PCs it uses for local government functions (www.theregister.com)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Schleswig-Holstein, Germany's most northern state, is starting its switch from Microsoft Office to LibreOffice, and is planning to move from Windows to Linux on the 30,000 PCs it uses for local government functions.

Concerns over data security are also front and center in the Minister-President's statement, especially data that may make its way to other countries. Back in 2021, when the transition plans were first being drawn up, the hardware requirements for Windows 11 were also mentioned as a reason to move away from Microsoft.

Saunders noted that "the reasons for switching to Linux and LibreOffice are different today. Back when LiMux started, it was mostly seen as a way to save money. Now the focus is far more on data protection, privacy and security. Consider that the European Data Protection Supervisor (EDPS) recently found that the European Commission's use of Microsoft 365 breaches data protection law for EU institutions and bodies."

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[–] 0x0@programming.dev 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wasn't it Munich who did that a few years back, only to backtrack sometime later?

[–] bobbytables@feddit.de 60 points 3 months ago

Yes, it was Munich. And all things considered it worked quite well for a while.

After a while AFAIK the then new mayor called himself a "Microsoft fan" and tried to get Microsoft to build their new German HQ in Munich. So I am pretty sure there is no connection whatsoever between canceling Limux and switching back to Windows and Microsoft building a huge campus in Munich Freimann...

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I fully expect this to get backtracked almost immediately. From my experience most government employees can barely handle a browser upgrade with a UI change, and they will 100% throw a collective fit if their Word and/or Outlook goes away.

[–] justJanne@startrek.website 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's not just office, SH and many other parts of the German government have been slowly replacing the entire O365 suite with OpenDesk, which is an open source product based on Matrix, Jitsi, LibreOffice, and a few other tools.

The goal is to have a fully integrated solution for calender, chat, calls, documents, cloud storage, etc.

My employer is developing parts of that solution and we recently switched our internal communication over to it, and tbh, it's working really well.

Now is the perfect point in time to do it, with the GDPR ruling regarding O365 and Microsoft fumbling the migration between old teams and new teams.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You are right. But what epic dunces.

Employer could pass the savings onto the staff with a payrise though.

"Staff who learn to use these new Linux applications will receive a bonus/payrise. Staff who do not will go to corner and wear the special hat"

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 months ago

I think trying to sell a switch to opensource as a saving is wrong on two counts...

Firstly it just sets the platform up for hatred. "We know you guys like expensive wine at the Christmas party, but this year we decided to get cheap-but-still-ok wine! Yaay, go team!".

Secondly, any savings should be poured straight back into training and support. Users should be able to ask dumb questions like "how do I create a new word document" and get a more or less instant response.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Eh, it's civil servants. They'll be sent to training, if it turns out they can't be trained they'll have choice between quitting or working where their qualifications suffice. Have them walk dikes to find rabbit burrows if need be.

[–] Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 months ago

Which is good, since M$ Office is still one of (if not the) biggest security holes in all of software due to its macros and how no one uses them securely.

Also also doing things the OS way will lead to less changes in the long run since Microsoft can and will change their layouts as they please, but a well maintained FOSS-fork can stay one way indefinitely.