This is great but why do they spell sentence "centence"? Such a wonderfully thought out and deeply meaningful video about the English language should have proper grammar and spelling, right? What the fuck?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Who are "they" in this case? The ones who made a video 20 or so years ago?

[+] Kolli@sopuli.xyz -9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is incorrect.

Swearing is undoubtedly poor language in the sense that it's not socially all acceptable.

Also it being versatile doesn't make it any good, rather other way around. That swear word being used rather than other descriptive terms is use of poor language and sign of poor vocabulary.

Also the study is about knowing many swear words rather than using them to fill in all gaps in sentences.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is incorrect.

Nice of you to include a TL;DR at the top accurately describing your comment! Maybe mark it as such next time, though.

Swearing is undoubtedly poor language in the sense that it's not socially all acceptable.

According to social norms originating from bronze age mythology and oppressive edicts derived therefrom. Do try to keep up with modern society.

Also it being versatile doesn't make it any good, rather other way around.

That makes no sense. The definition of successful use of language is expressing what you intend to express in the ideal manner for your specific purposes. A lack of versatility would hamper any efforts to achieve that goal.

That swear word being used rather than other descriptive terms is use of poor language and sign of poor vocabulary.

Only when used improperly, like with any word.

If you substitute every other word with the word "maybe", that's a sign of poor vocabulary too. Using the word "maybe" at all bears none of the blame, though.

[–] Kolli@sopuli.xyz -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

According to social norms originating from bronze age mythology and oppressive edicts derived therefrom. Do try to keep up with modern society.

Are you trying to claim that swearing is socially acceptable in modern society? You wouldn't swear in your customer service profession and you wouldn't swear to someone you respect.

That makes no sense. The definition of successful use of language is expressing what you intend to express in the ideal manner for your specific purposes. A lack of versatility would hamper any efforts to achieve that goal.

I would argue as someone who doesn't natively speak english that words with double- or multimeanings (versatile) are hard to learn and interpret in language. They pave way to misunderstanding and by nature limit the richness of the language.

Only when used improperly, like with any word.

I would claim that using swear words are mostly if not always used inproperly.

But writing this response I'm increasingly willing to blame cultural differences. My mother language is very hard to learn and in it you would add a suffix to add versatility to a word. I'd say we come from different places and respect different things in language.

As per your suggestion:

TL;DR: Shit happens, rally helps. Good talk, have a good one.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you trying to claim that swearing is socially acceptable in modern society?

Absolutely.

You wouldn't swear in your customer service profession

That depends whether I have a boss with the same antedeluvian views as you.

you wouldn't swear to someone you respect.

Categorically false. On the contrary, I have absolutely zero respect for arbitrary censorship, especially when enforced by abusing a position of authority.

I would argue as someone who doesn't natively speak english that words with double- or multimeanings (versatile) are hard to learn and interpret in language

As someone whose native language isn't English either, that's part of the fun of language: that it has nuance and context-based variations. You might as well argue that idioms should be banned 🙄

They pave way to misunderstanding

See also: humor, less rigid expression, creativity. Those are probably not concepts you have any first hand experience with, but go ahead and look them up.

and by nature limit the richness of the language.

Ambiguity and flexibility limit the richness of language?? I'd ask what you're smoking, but you seem too uptight to ever try something fun.

I would claim that using swear words are mostly if not always used inproperly

They are if you have no understanding about how language works. Then again, so are all other words in your doubtlessly very limited vocabulary.

My mother language is very hard to learn and in it you would add a suffix to add versatility to a word

Same with mine, tbh. Danish is a very weird language. Some would say downright bizarre and I'm not sure if I disagree..

Shit happens, rally helps

..is your weird native language Finnish? Because rally racing is extremely popular in Finland 😛

Good talk, have a good one.

I'm inclined to disagree on the first half but yeah, have a nice day lol

[–] Kolli@sopuli.xyz -3 points 8 months ago

Yeah, Finnish.

I don't respect your hostility in the discussion. This comment reinforces that you and me merely have fundamentally differing opinions about the matter and there will be no conclusion.

As for the rigidity of the discussion: I'm of the school of thought that strives for efficient communication and of the paradigm that things should argue, not people. I'm in this to learn stuff and learn about your opinion, not to clash with you.

But I've come to realize that internet forums generally are filled with people who get empowered with argumentation errors and thus attempt at civilized discussion tends to be fools errand.

You seem to have interesting opinions and so if you'd like to continue this discussion further, my Matrix handle is in the bio.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago

Also it being versatile doesn't make it any good, rather other way around.

Your mom is very versatile, and good. I assume I don't need to mention the implied word here