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Prove me wrong that this has nothing to do with the fact that China became the world's biggest auto exporter last year and this is a desperate way for the US to try to protect their own auto industry.
Free market, my bottom.
Well, it's more than that. China is actively trying to dump on the market. Selling things at a loss so they can kill and steal market share.
Sorta what Amazon did early on but on a global scale.
You do realise that you have described just now what all startups are doing in the US. Like look at WhatsApp, Facebook, etc. they were working for years if not decades on a massive loss in an attempt to more or less monopolize the segment, backed by the deep pockets of their investors.
And I think it is only fair if you demand the same level of scrutiny to all companies involved in such practices.
American companies can't dump. This is specifically for countries to protect their own industries.
US companies can operate at a loss to gain market share, but the money losses is still in its own economy and not an outside foreign country that might not aligned with our countries values.
Plus a company can only lose money for so long that eventually the market starts correcting itself and investors pull funding. Can't be said about China which is basically unlimited money.
The repercussions is drastic. China has already done this with solar panels. We are already beholden to them for this. If we were dependant on solar panels and not fossil fuel, they would literally be controlling our energy needs.
And the US has done this with so many industries, which you are trying to monopolize or control.
And apparently you are okay when your own country is doing this but not okay when other countries are doing it.
Does this seem fair to you, because sure as hell doesn't seem to me.
It's not about fair. Anti dumping tariffs is designed to protect national security and national industries. We are not exclusive to this. China themselves does the same exact thing.
Can you then explain to me what is the difference between
And dumping as in my books both are synonyms.
And mind you we already have a couple of multi trillion companies now, if this isn't access to infinite resources what is...
Just Amazon? lol
Just an example.
Is amazon even much of a thing outside the US? Like here in Europe they have like 2 places they ship from and it takes a week to arrive and costs 10x as much as ordering from a local online store. I don't really know anyone who uses amazon regularly.
This would be valid if... China was dumping. They're not. They're selling far above unit costs. In fact, their export models are often double or triple the price of domestic models of the same car.
I brought receipts.
https://www.electrive.com/2023/09/14/major-response-to-announced-eu-anti-price-dumping-investigation/
https://www.ft.com/content/55ec498d-0959-41ef-8ab9-af06cc45f8e7
Just because YOU don't believe in facts doesn't make it less true.
Your first link is an announcement of an investigation into accusations based on assumptions and your second was behind a paywall and the most recent archive.org snapshot didn’t work.
Those aren’t really “receipts”.
Interesting receipts you provide... Receipts with zero evidence actually provided.
OP is correct. The fact is that Chinese cars sold for export are substantially more expensive than those sold for domestic consumption. Unless your argument is that they're... Dumping domestically?
Better tell all the investors, then.
FREE* MARKET!
*=within the US
Lol no, that hasnt been true for a long time.
** = if you're born into money
It's obviously protectionist who said otherwise? Let China sell their cars to friendly nations, oh wait...