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submitted 5 months ago by tardigrada@beehaw.org to c/news@beehaw.org

Cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/10848936

The new law follows past efforts, such as smartphone apps for people to “learn about new socialist thought” - including a lesson on how “Grandpa Xi led us into the new era” - and for adults to read up and take quizzes on Xi’s latest theories.

The latter was deemed a success in terms of downloads – as all 90 million Communist Party members were ordered to use it alongside many employees of state-owned enterprises.

China has other legislation aimed at stamping out unpatriotic behavior, such as banning the desecration of national flags and insults to soldiers. And under Xi in recent years, any dissent in China – even in the form of online comments that don’t toe the party line – is enough to land people in trouble with authorities.

But the latest law appears to hint at the introduction of penalties for acts not already punishable under existing laws, according to Ye Ruiping, senior law lecturer from Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand.

For example, it states that behaviors “advocating, glorifying and denying acts of invasion, wars and massacres” and “damaging patriotic education facilities” could be subject to punishments, she said.

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[-] tardigrada@beehaw.org 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Regarding the '1984 social credit system' there are a lot of good resources which tell a story far diffrrent from yours. One recent example is tbe documentary 'Total Trust' by Chinese film maker Zhang Jialing. The film's introduction says:

Total Trust is an eye-opening and deeply disturbing story of surveillance technology, abuse of power and (self-)censorship that confronts us with what can happen when our privacy is ignored. Through the haunting stories of people in China who have been monitored, intimidated and even tortured, the film tells of the dangers of technology in the hands of unbridled power.

Watch the film. There are many reviews about it (and other sources about surveillance in China). It's really easy to find on the web.

I think this law has similar intentions.

Addition: @megopie it would be great if you could post a source of what you say. Thanks in advance.

[-] Aatube@kbin.social 5 points 5 months ago

megopie's claims seem to be consistent with the Wikipedia article (which mostly cites this Singaporean book), and my experience of it wasn't directly state-run either; we used the one from Alipay, and it was mainly about availability of and restriction against services.

While the website for that docu seems to be a bit too alarmist for my red flags, the trailer looks pretty good, so I think I'll give it a try sometimes. Note that my family has no dealings with human rights, so my account may not be accurate.

[-] megopie@beehaw.org 4 points 5 months ago

That’s not about the social credit system though, that’s about the general censorship and surveillance apparatus. Which although robust and invasive is quite fragmented, there is no central database. local branches of law enforcement or internal intelligence or a million other parts of china’s own alphabet soup, manage, collect and use surveillance data, some terrifyingly effectively, some pathetically. Some not at all.

China is a big country with a lot of tasks being delegated to lower authorities, (and delegated from them to even lower authorities). Anytime I see someone talk as if the Chinese government is a monolithic entity it makes me want to pull my hair out. 90% of the time when someone talks about some new law in Beijing being created, they’re misrepresenting the reality, which is generally that the central government has directed provincial and local governments to pass their own laws and implement their own policies to address what ever Beijing has talked about.

For references about social credit in particular here you go:

https://jamestown.org/program/far-from-a-panopticon-social-credit-focuses-on-legal-violations/

https://logicmag.io/china/the-messy-truth-about-social-credit/

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