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"We" are a minority share of the market and no one really cares about "us". "We" are irrelevant and we will keep being irrelevant unless we start actual and effective evangelizing for an open web.
This is not just about "avoiding", it's about fighting for culture change.
Eh I'm pretty happy if they just stay over there haha
nah im not.
we cant expect things to get better if we dont help heal the people in a way we can.
There's nothing wrong with the people who use it. It's their choice. I just don't want that content in my space.
The only space that is truly "yours" in the Fediverse is the one concerning your feed and the data you create.
It's my instance and the ones it federates with.
I can move instance or host my own if I don't agree with my current ones choices.
Do you treat the people on the same instance as you as "taking your space"? Wouldn't it better to think of it as shared, which means that it is not really yours or anyone else's?
No I'm talking about meta
And I am talking about the people on the networks, whether it is Facebook or the instances themselves.
You want to say "I don't want Meta to come", but what about the people who are there?
Depends on their content
How are you going to filter it out?
Downvotes and blocking, as god intended.
Can't do that if you are just defederating with them in the first place like you said you would.
Are you actually thinking through your answers or just turning knee-jerk reactions?
I dont mind, we are letting in a group that has a diffrent culture then ours. The fear is that if
then the smaller side's culture will get clobbered.
If we don't grow faster, we are always going to be irrelevant. To illustrate the point: Lemmy had a monstrous gift given by Reddit's management and completely failed to capitalize on it. Later on, when my fediverser project was signing up hundreds of people per day and the conversations started by the bots were used by organic users in niche communities, the reactionaries here decided to treat everything as spam, instead of seeing it as a hook to convert more people.
Fast forward a few weeks, and now Lemmy is back to being a place to nothing but meta-conversation about the Fediverse and a handful of people pretending they are not using Reddit anymore.
Yes theres also a lower bound, the upper bound can and should be as high as it should go but im afraid the biggest hurdle to having safe high growth is the possable culture clash. I fear (educated guess) it will happen and im hoping it wont.
Also, from your example, reddit is not exactly the same culture as lemmy and we had a "what habits do you wanna keep (effectively adopt) or drop from reddit" post, stuff like "/s". Id say overall few issues and should have and ive heard people encourage going as fast as possable but your saying our radicals pushed back.
True but I'd argue that, once you start looking into the more niche subreddits, there is no single culture within Reddit itself, and these thousands of smaller niches are the really important ones and could've helped with the migration.
Wow, yes!
My personal niche, Sbubby was pseudo migrated many diffrent places, 2 discords, a lemmy page and someone is still running the subreddit.
There was a explosion and resession, there is no hope of finding either discord without their link and the reddit mass exodus was temporary were left fractured across 4 or 5 sites.
My other niche, on the reddit side is filled with horny people and salesman. Over here, theres a ~4 user/month community thats sweet and loving but has nobody.
Mine is a personal instance used only by myself.
Who is "they"? Your family? School/Work colleagues? People you share interests and that you know in meatspace?
Meta
I'm fine with that personally. I'd much rather have a small social network containing people who are like me (at least in some respects) than a huge one filled with people I hate and garbage AI content.
Lemmy (heck, even reddit) is great example of why your and their goals arent mutually exclusive. If lemmy blows up, some places will stay small, some places will look like it does on bigger social media sites. I prefer slow and steady growth but an explosion of growth isnt the worst thing.
Do you "hate" your family? Your neighbors? Co-workers? Normies?
Not necessarily, but Facebook certainly makes it easy to 😉 more importantly I'm not at all interested in being connected via social media with any of those people, aside I suppose from "normies" because that could really be anyone, but I'm not that bothered.
No but I don't care about seeing them on social media. I don't desire that at all, if I am gonna keep in touch with someone it will be in person or through direct messages.
You don't need to see them just because the same network as you. But they need to be here if we want corporate social media to die.