The person who pays "full price and no more" in this case is @Shayeta... who was just suggesting that the price be increased so the "more" is in the price. "Full price" is whatever the shitty owner says it is, not whatever the product or service is worth and definitely not what the customer thinks it's worth.

So $10 plus a $3 tip is "paying extra" to you people but you're gonna happily pay the same shitty owner $15 "and no more" for the same meal literally because they said so. I think the clearest I can be is to point out that they're offering the "extra," just exclusively to the owners and never to the workers.

Now I'm wondering whether it's some shamefully covered-up phobia of maths or just licking some capitalist footwear under the guise of a kind of false consumerism.

[–] Shayeta@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Knowing how much food+service costs up front benefits the customer by allowing them to make an informed decision.

Having a higher pay benefits the workers by making their income consistent and allowing them to more easily compare salaries offered by different restaurants.

Tipping in its current state benefits only the owner by lowering operational costs and forcing the workers to depend on the generosity of the customer, conviniently making workers feel like they are getting shafted by the customer instead of the person who actually hired them.

[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

So $10 plus a $3 tip is "paying extra" to you people

Yes. The price is 10. I pay 13. That's 3 more. Simple math.

you're gonna happily pay the same shitty owner $15 "and no more

That's a straw man argument. I probably won't support a shitty owner at any price.

What I want is to know the price up front, without checking for loopholes, adding tips and whatever. I don't care how simple the math is, or how much I love math or how good I am at calculating in my head, or how big the impact is to my personal economy.

I see a price, I either pay it or I don't. There's a reason that anything else is literally illegal where I live.

You're welcome to have your opinion, this is mine.

Again, I don't mind tipping if I actually get extra. I'm a big tipper, if I get more than I'm paying for.

just licking some capitalist footwear under the guise of a kind of false consumerism

Wow, that's American level defense of capitalism. Where I'm from, we pay a lot more attention to consumer rights and employee rights.