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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 52 points 9 months ago (5 children)

On the one hand, the board was an insane cult of effective altruism / longtermism / LessWrong, so fuck them. But on the other hand, this was a worker revolt for the capitalists, which I guess shouldn’t be surprising since tech workers famously lack class consciousness.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

an insane cult of effective altruism / longtermism / LessWrong

I'm out of the loop. What's the problem with those things?

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 13 points 9 months ago

It's basically the paperclip maximizer combined with human arrogance/hubris. Just skim the criticism sections of the articles linked.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

People are asking what is wrong with these cults. It’s a lot to cover so I won’t try. People who follow the podcasts Tech Won’t Save Us or This Machine Kills will already be familiar with them. Here’s an article relevant to the moment that talks about them a little: Pivot to AI: Replacing Sam Altman with a very small shell script

[–] Majoof@aussie.zone 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Genuinely confused by your first statement (in particular effective altruism). What does that have to do with the board?

Not an attack, just actually clueless.

[–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Several of the [former] board members are affiliated with the movement. EA is concerned with existential risk, AI being perceived as a big one. OpenAI's nonprofit was founded with the intent to perform research AI safely, and those members of the board still reflected that interest.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's what happens when the wealth is shared with those who make it. Everyone becomes a capitalist.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Actually that's just self interest. Both capitalism and socialism claim to benefit workers. But only socialism has remotely shown to do that to any extent. Capitalist hoarding and speculation is the primary driver of inflation and things like the inafordability of housing.

If you labor for a living, you aren't a capitalist. You're labor.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nah. It's more like the pusher man. Give them their first taste for free, and they'll be a customer for life.

[–] HairHeel@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

famously lack class consciousness

How much money do you suppose the average OpenAI employee makes? What class do you imagine they’re part of?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’m sure the developers make the lower half of six figures, but they still have to sell their labor to survive, so they’re still working class.

I’ve been an SF Bay Area software developer for almost thirty years, so I know them well. I consider us members of the professional–managerial class (PMC). We generally think we’re “above” the working class (we’re not), and so we seldom have any sense of solidarity with the rest of the working class (or even each other), and we think unionization is for those other people and not us.

When Hillary Clinton talked about the “basket of deplorables,” she was talking to her PMC donors & voters about the rest of the working class, and we eat that shit up. Most of my peers have still learned no lessons from her election defeat, preferring to blame debunked RussiaGate conspiracy theories.