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And our governments are beholden to the rich because they can offer the best bribes.
Until the rich feels threatened by the climate catastrophe, nothing will happen or change.
Although we are seeing the first economic fallout from climate change, so there's a slim chance. The rich are going to see their precious economic growth slow and eventually stall. I don't know how they'll react to that.
Maybe they'll all flee to New Zealand. Or some other remote location. I doubt SpaceX is going to offer any way out for anyone but the musky chodelet.
I guess the rich's reaction depends on whether they think their hideaway will afford them the same privilege as they currently have. Maybe they'll try to bootstrap an Elysium like refuge on the moon if it's predicted that even New Zealand won't be safe from climate induced collapse.
Nothing is safe and there is nowhere you can go.
Everything is connected in this web we call home.
The fire just ignited, its the beginning of the show.
No one will escape this tomb we've made home.
Neat poem but also just plain wrong.
The poor and the mistreated people will suffer the most so the wealthy and the privileged don’t have to.
Just like how the children who collect your ingredients for chocolate have never even tasted it, the modern and developed world will carry on with apathy and ignorance.
Even so called catastrophes will not affect them, as they will be uplifted and protected.
It’s already happening now if you just look around.
How can you be uplifted and protected from starvation when ecosystems completely collapse? There will be no cattle farming, no agriculture. If climate change is as disastrous as scientists warn if we don't change there will be nothing to uphold them with. The masses will quickly consume their masters and then each other as we return to tribes. The most the rich can hope to do from their bunkers is scavenge for substance as the last is swallowed by the flies. They just don't realize they're building their own tombs.
The same way humans always have, by adapting to change. Yeast and bug protein powder, skyscraper farms and bioreactor grown meat.
Humans would likely survive on a completely sterile planet at this point, science is so advanced. But it would not be enough for 8 billion people, so a lot of forgotten and poor people will suffer.
Scientists have already figured out where the disasters will be concentrated, and the wealthy have already prepared themselves, governments included.
The doomer idea that the entire planet will become unlivable is just nonsense. There will be many shitty places to live where the heat will kill thousands every summer, or the weather becomes too extreme for stability.
But there will also be lots of places that just get more rain than they’d like. So once again, the poor and inequitably treated will die and suffer. Starting to notice a pattern yet?
If you’re just seriously sitting around expecting society to collapse to solve this problem then you’ve already lost.
I dont think you understand. There will be no supply chains to make these advanced materials. If we aren't doing it right now, it won't be here when the climate collapses. There will be no bug farm paste manufactorums. There will be no steel mills. You can't have skyscrapers when there are no supply chains producing steel to support the buildings, plus all the machinery to actually piece together the building. Construction will immediately be shot back to the dark ages or prior. Because it too relies on advanced global supply chains to acquire the materials to make the advanced materials to construct infastructure with.
I should also note we are on the hypothetical of complete collapse. We are already arguing in that context, I'm not actually waiting around like its a fact. But the billionaires are, they're building their bunkers expecting to make it (?) to some unknown date where the surface world is magically habitable again.
Yes, none of that is going to happen, thankfully.
It’s just going to result in more powerful storms and extreme weather spread throughout the planet.
Lots of life will die off but it will be absolutely nothing compared to the shit our planet has seen in the past and recovered from.
In the end, we're killing ourselves and the things we are familiar with. The things that make Earth, to us. I hope the squids have a better run than we did.
Lots of good people working against it as well.
The good news is, they will start to feel it. Fix this shit now is becoming more and more mainstream. Just wait until sea rise consumes their costal mansions. Just wait until a hurricane destroys their self insured Manhattan sky scraper. Just wait until an EF5 tornado wrecks their middle of nowhere mansion. We won't be waiting long.
We had the extra luxury beach resort owned by the family of our tourism Ministry (sounds like a conflict of interest but she wasn't in charge then) destroyed by a hurricane, but the climate change scepticism of the government per se remained untouched.
Your reasoning assumes they are intelligent enough to understand concepts like causation or correlation. They aren't.