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You pay it by buying new hardware.
My 2013 macbook pro with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD has been deprecated by apple so the latest OS it gets is Big Sur, it has now been barred from signing updates (since they require the latest XCode which I cannot get with Big Sur) so its only viable life is via Linux from now on.
I have had to buy a Mac Mini with 8 GB of RAM and a 250 GB SSD to be able to upload updates for my iOS apps.
I mean I can afford it, but yeah, we are paying for OS updates dude.
That's the reason they also updated their EULAs to set a minimum renting period of 24hs for providers like Amazon and MacStadium. They want you buying hardware, they don't want to leave any easy way out.
There are still workarounds for getting new macOS on older not supported hardware (aka the OpenCore Legacy Patcher) which works very well, even with really old macs. But yes, of course, there are no official updates.
That’s not an Apple problem per se though, that’s an industry problem. Windows 11 isn’t officially supported on Devices older than 2018 and unofficially not older than like 2015-ish, if you want full functionality and a non-hacky install (because of TPM 2.0). Also, most Android phones have a notoriously short period getting updates (although that is getting better with some manufacturers promising and delivering way more than before).
Having old computers not compatible with the latest OS is not a problem, just keep running Windows 10. Having an OS that no longer gets security updates is a huge problem.
Fortunately Apple goes out of their way to ensure their hardware doesn't survive that long anymore.
Windows 10 is also nearing end of life. In two years it’s over
It's the same with windows though, I can't get Windows 11 on my laptop.
Same with many things, it's just not feasible to support decade old hardware with new updates.
hav ye herd a linux?
You pay for linux with your time and sanity.
You're either memeing, and you use Arch btw, or you are a decade behind. Most PC users surf the web, print a PDF, and possibly look at pictures from their phone on a larger screen. All of those can be done from a vanilla install of most Linux distros. Before you say "yeah, but windows comes pre-installed on my pc" congratulations you've discovered why monopolies are bad, but also I can install Linux on my hardware before you're done watching the "please wait while we are setting up your computer" and "just a few more moments" screens that give you absolutely no information about what is actually happening.
Fun fact, Windows actually does have a verbose mode for these screens. It's completely convoluted to get it to do it though, but you can lmfao 😂
Wait, how? (out of curiosity)
It's been awhile, but the gist of it as after the boot disk installation you have to stop it from rebooting and go back into the boot disk, open a command prompt, open the boot disk's regedit, connect it to the registry hive installed on the drive and set some flags there and reboot
If you like pain, there's a YT video of a madlad installing windows completely manually
"I just heart my Ubuntu, and my computer friend was right: this was easy to install!... wait a sec. What do you mean it's only got 3 months of support left?!? You told me to get the latest version!"
If you want to do anything beyond using linux as a web browser, then nothing is simple. Windows and mac also have web browsers, but in addition to that they can also do a lot of other things easily.
You don't have to open a single terminal window if you don't want to, nowadays. Hardware compatibility is mostly excellent, outside some specific vendors that keep giving trouble (fucking Nvidia, go fuck yourself). I'm not sure what's inherently complicated about the modern Linux experience otherwise, outside having to figure out what's a distribution. Most have app stores with bunch of stuff available OOTB, excellent software, etc.
Now, I'd have agreed with you 10 years ago. Just installing Ubuntu on a laptop meant dealing with shit power savings and non functional sleep unless you were ready to tweak obscure config files and install stuff manually. Wifi support was a nightmare.
Unless you're speaking about software availability, which is not something you can really blame the OS for. Unless vendors make their software available natively, of course trying to mess with compatibility layers like Wine will always be complicated. I still can't fully get rid of Windows because of media creation software mostly - music/audio DAWs are slowly coming over to Linux, but most commercial plugins obviously aren't following. The rest is pretty smooth sailing though. I haven't had a single fluke with my PopOS partition in years, while I've already had to repair my Windows partition twice in the same period - once for a borked update, and the second it just broke itself after a power outage.
If you're definition of simple is just clicking things until you get the response you want then you might be correct.
except the time is spent learning something instead of waiting for the pc to update(or you can, of course, use one of the many common distros that require no time to understand, eg. linux mint, fedora, tuxedoOS etc)
It used to be the case yea, but my experience last 5 years or so has been that especially for old hardware everything works out of the box.
Might be extremely hardware or distro dependent though.
You can, but not officially.