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submitted 8 months ago by danhakimi@kbin.social to c/news@lemmy.world

Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.

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[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 8 months ago

Because as we know, cowardly Hamas terrorists only use civilians as shields. Hamas are scum.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Hamas didn’t exist until 1987. Was Hamas to blame for the violence before then too?

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -1 points 8 months ago

I'm talking about October 2023.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago

Yes and we’re talking about decades of Israeli terrorism, predating Hamas.

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social -4 points 8 months ago

Well no, not really, the thread is about Hamas and you are the first one to bring up Israeli terrorism.

But it's not like Jewish violence in the region predates Muslim violence. The pogroms have been going since at least the 1920s. Things escalated. Nobody is saying Hamas was the start, but Hamas is the biggest problem right now.

[-] Zippit@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

So WHY didn't you go after them when you had the chance 20 years ago? Why even prop them up to be elected and then ban all elections? Why allow them to grow and be subsidised to even get to this level. Why allow them to build tunnels?

WHY with your almighty army and tech and effing dome don't you enter the tunnels now? I saw the maps, you know where they are, why? If Ukraine can use drones, keep civilian casualties at minimum level and treat their prisoners of war with dignity, why can't you?

Because 'we value human life?' You only value yourselves. You are the Nazis at this point of time and history will remember this as the most ironic thing ever.

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social -3 points 8 months ago

Yes, because Jews value human life, asshole. Israel has been trying a variety of solutions. The occupation of Gaza wasn't working too well in 2003, Hamas had been starting to fire rockets. So Israel hoped that, by unilaterally withdrawing Gaza, allowing them to hold elections, wishing that democracy might establish a Palestinian partner for peace, and they literally elected Hamas to their government.

They are entering the tunnels, stupid. Even though they're long and winding and loaded with booby traps, they are going into the tunnels, they are doing everything they can to target Hamas.

Israel does use drones. It does work to keep civilian casualties to a minimum, but Gaza city is densely populated and Hamas refuses to let civilians evacuate.

And I'm not going to engage with anybody who pulls the "Jews are Nazis" trope out. Man, you have no idea what a Nazi is. You think the Nazis suffered an attack on their civilians in the middle of a ceasefire, called the attacker, and politely asked them to evacuate the base they attacked from before striking back? No, you just wanted the world to know how antisemitic you were.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Jewish violence in the region literally predates Muslim violence, Judaism came hundreds of years before Islam.

The biggest problem right now is Israel. step one is for them to stop murdering thousands of children.

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social -1 points 8 months ago

Jewish violence in the region literally predates Muslim violence, Judaism came hundreds of years before Islam.

Alright, I guess we're being pedantic now.

Jews got expelled from the region and kept out of it by various European and Arab powers until they started buying land back in the late 1800s. From that point on, Jewish violence was not the start of violence in the region, it was Muslim violence and Muslim unwillingness to coexist with Jews. It ramped up well before 1987, well before 1948.

The biggest problem right now is Israel. step one is for them to stop murdering thousands of children.

Israel is not targeting children. Hamas is using them as human shields. The "3000" number is from Hamas—it includes victims of rocket misfires, and also is a straight up lie, just like their count of the victims at Al-Ahli hospital was a lie. Yes, there are still too many children dying, and yes, too many of them still die as a result of Israeli air strikes. This is the main reason Israel wanted them to be evacuated. Every other country evacuates civilians from war zones, but Hamas cannot allow that, or else the statistics might not favor them. They use propaganda and physical force to keep Palestinian children in buildings that are specifically targets for bombs.

Hamas is, by far, the biggest problem in the region.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Well, there’s your problem. Source

“It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum,” Guterres said. “The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing.”

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago

NOTHING makes it okay to perform the terrorist murders Hamas did.

[-] Narrrz@kbin.social 8 points 8 months ago

but is the daily plight of Palestinians Okay?

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago

I stand with Palestinian and Israeli civilians and hope they can find leaders who want a solution after Hamas is eradicated.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago
[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Agree. Netanyahu holds a huge responsibility for making Hamas terrorists able to do what they have done. Fuck Netanyahu and his far right government.

[-] Sparlock@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

First sane comment of yours in this thread.

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

Well, ideally by the electoral process, but absolutely. I personally think the Olmert proposal would have been fantastic, but Abbas knew that Hamas would never let him get away with it.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You and I can’t imagine what life is like in occupied Palestine. Who am I to judge how oppressed people choose to resist. I don’t have that right, having never been in their shoes.

Nelson Mandela-

I and some colleagues came to the conclusion that as violence in this country was inevitable, it would be wrong and unrealistic for African leaders to continue preaching peace and non-violence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force. It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle.

If you’re curious and want to understand the conflict better, Vice did a deep dive into the conflict.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Nothing justifies it. But there are plenty of reasons that explain it. Abusing someone doesn't justify them murdering their abuser, but it sure as hell explains it. When I poke a dog I may not feel that it's legally justified in biting me, but I'm hardly surprised.

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