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[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Or they're a tool to give the employee some quantifiable and measurable areas they need to improve on. This way both sides are clear of expectations and there's no surprises.

Not all bosses suck. I've had to put a few people on them and they've helped, never had to fire someone afterwards.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's certainly a possibility, but if someone told me they were put on a PIP, and asked me what they should expect, I'd tell them that in all likelihood it means that they are going to be let go in the near future.

It's a different story if the company does regular performance management with all employees. For example I work in the public sector and we do annual performance reviews, but also annual performance agreements, which are basically PIPs but without the prerequisite that performance has diminished.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well yes. A PIP is a last resort. It's what you do when coaching, mentoring, and flat out ordering haven't worked. If you get to this stage you're at the precipice.

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This 100%. If you're at the point where a PIP is happening, the employee shouldn't be surprised by it.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What does the half shield next to your username mean?

[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

He's your rival

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

Not sure what you mean by half shield since that's probably specific to your client, but likely cause I'm one of the admins for lemmy.ca.

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At my previous job I think they actually published stats on pips internally and it was like 50% success rate. I mean it's not great but the alternative is you just get straight up fired. I think PIP is probably generally a good thing.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

I've issued like 10 pips in my time managing I have a 40% success rate. Plenty of companies really do try to make them successful.