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Except it literally is the fault of like 30 people. We can directly pinpoint the cause of the problem onto the actions of specific individuals.
Everyone else could have voted for regulation to prevent them from doing those things. You can't just expect corporations to not do evil if you allow them to. They're heavily incentivized by the system to be as evil as possible. The solution is to limit the amount of evil they're allowed to do.
Money isn't real. The government isn't real. Those two things are made real by belief. Everyone made a choice to believe in those two things.
If you spent the 80s working for communist orgs then you're not guilty, but everyone else who did nothing during Reagan and Thatcher deserves the hate.
I lived in a socialist state (GDR) as a small child (and my parents all their lifes until the state disolved). The government destroyed nature just as much, if not more.
And the CCP actively denied climate change as a means for the West to stop their modernization until the last decade or so.
Industrialization was a priority for most Marxist-Leninist based states because that was considered the best means of both defending themselves from the "NATO aggression" and, in theory, increasing quality of life.
It's a relatively recent trend that ecological conservationism and climate action has become a major actual leftist talking point. Obviously you could find individuals who were concerned but the governments are largely M-L and simply didn't care that much compared to building industry.
Communism isn't a magic wand to excuse blame.
Grow up and realise communist countries extract and burn petroleum.
The Haudenosaunee did not use petroleum.
How common was petroleum fuel at that time?
It didn't exist yet. I don't believe that petroleum fuel existed at the same time as any independent communist society, which contradicts your claims. If you would like to support your claim that some communist civilisation used petroleum, it seems to me you should name a communist society which maintained independence after the industrial revolution.
So, you might want to look into oil seeps as well.
You went and found the one indigenous group that actually did have access to petroleum. https://stacker.com/business-economy/history-oil-america
Not an exhaustive argument, but really points out a flaw in yours
That article lists it as a mosquito repellant and a salve, not as a fuel. I was careful to use the phrase "petroleum fuel". Oil as a mosquito repellant doesn't contribute to global warming.
Not in your first comment, and kind of a bad faith argument, because as you have stated, fuel hadn't been distilled at that time. And there are arguments as to whether they meet the definition of communist.
So, what communist state that had access to petroleum didn't harvest for any reason. And which ones after the advent of petroleum fuel didn't use it?
We may have made that choice, but there are some pretty sure consequences if you don't go along at least a teeny bit.