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[–] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No snowflake thinks they're responsible for the avalanche

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Except it literally is the fault of like 30 people. We can directly pinpoint the cause of the problem onto the actions of specific individuals.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Everyone else could have voted for regulation to prevent them from doing those things. You can't just expect corporations to not do evil if you allow them to. They're heavily incentivized by the system to be as evil as possible. The solution is to limit the amount of evil they're allowed to do.

[–] floppade@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No but snowflakes are arguably more equal in their role and function than humans in society are. Powerless people exist, and it’s most people.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In democracies people have the option to vote for people who will regulate businesses. A business will only optimize for profit, if you want them to make environmentally friendly choices you must either make those choices mandatory or profitable. The way to do that is through politics, and people who voted for the avalanche share the blame for it.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But snowflakes literally aren't responsible for an avalanache. A cow in a stampede has no choice but to follow the herd, it's the whoever or whatever started the stampede/avalanche that's responsible.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Except for cows at the edge and back, who could get out.

Which makes a new edge of the herd, which lets more cows out, and all of a sudden the stampede is just one angry bull.

No metaphor is perfect, but I think this one demonstrates rather handily that much of the "stampede" is social pressure that would dissipate rapidly if the people who could leave it did.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wish people would see it that way. But on Lemmy when it comes to climate change the majority seems to be in favour of not doing anything personally, because it wouldn't have lot of an impact.

Making jokes about how not using plastic straws is a scam, a vegan diet too hard for the effect it has or how the cars of individuals don't matter in the greater scheme...

That's exactly like people in past generations thought as well.

[–] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If snowflakes aren't responsible for an avalanche then what is?

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thing that causes an avalanche, the loud noise or whatever it was.

You could try and blame the snowflake for being there, but even if that was a valid criticism it would only give them limited responsibility for the avalanche happening. Blaming the snowflake is like blaming tinder for the fire, when without the spark no fire would have happened.

[–] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An avalanche cannot occur without an outside force acting upon it?

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, something needs to trigger it.

Thinking a bit more though, I was only thinking of a snowflake in the avalanche, rather than a snowflake falling on the top causing everything to fall down - like messing up the last card in a house of cards. If that's what they meant then it makes a little more sense, but still doesn't really hold true. 90% of all avalanche disasters are triggered by humans.

An avalanche requires that certain types of snowflake form a "weak layer" in the snow. Some snowflakes are kind of smooth on the sides, these don't have the jagged edges that hook onto other snowflakes. When a force is applied, this weak layer breaks and the snow on top of the layer slides down the slope. A single snowflake will not apply enough force to break the weak layer - the amount of force it applies would be negligible even compared to things like the wind. Something else will trigger the avalanche before a snowflake ever could.

The snowflake provides the conditions for an avalanche, but doesn't apply the force that triggers it.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago

That's because they literally aren't.