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The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gave the final go-ahead last Monday in Beirut

Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And que World War 3 ladies and gentlemen. Buckle up, because this is gonna get messy.

[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 11 months ago (5 children)

As a millennial I'm excited to live through my like 5th WW3.

[–] MetalJewSolid@sopuli.xyz 18 points 11 months ago

Seriously, every single local war is a fresh breeding ground for WW3 according to morons online

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As a GenX-er, I grew up with WW3 as a constant possibility. My third grade teacher showed us a TV movie about nuclear war that had me thinking every plane that flew overhead was a nuclear missile.

Maybe this is why GenX is the "whatever" generation. When you grow up thinking you're going to die at any moment, you tend to shrug off a lot of stuff.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Doom-mongering. Climate change would still do more damage than WW3 unfortunately.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let's just wait for the Taiwan invasion.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It would be the perfect time for China to attack.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Tell me about it. Wars, financial collapses, housing crisis, mass inflation...

It hasn't been great.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works -2 points 11 months ago

We're sending a carrier strike group. This could be an enormous escalation.

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fucking great. I hope cooler heads can prevail.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

When both sides of a conflict make the claim that the same piece of dirt is sacred to their religion, it's unlikely for cooler heads to get a word in edgeways.

[–] Gargleblaster@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, there's also the fact that after WWII, while the Allies were dividing the world up like a giant birthday cake, they created most of these problems: North Korea, Iraq-Kuwait, and plunking a new Jewish country down in the middle of Arabia.

If the Allies had decided that Ohio is a new Jewish country, what would've been the fallout from that?

As much as we seem a step removed from this issue, we made the problem.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

New Jewish country? It was a Jewish nation first and Jews have lived there FAR longer than Arabs.

This is more like if the US lost WWII and the axis decided to give the Native Americans back their territories.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Even according to the Bible/Torah it wasn't a Jewish Nation first, it was a "Promised Land" which they conquered.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Also, the concept of a "nation" didn't exist until the late 1700s. There were Jewish tribes in the Levant region, along with a ton of other tribes, many of which were just loose clans of family groups.

[–] Zellith@kbin.social -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It gets really into the weeds.

As an ethnic group, Arabs trace back to Abraham through his first son Ishmael from his concubine Hagar.

Jews trace back to Abraham through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob, who was renamed Israel.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ethnic groups don't trace back to single people, especially not ones from fairy tales.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

According to the Abrahamic tradition, Arabs are descendants of Abraham through his son Ishmael.[73] Islamic sources state that Abraham brought Hagar and Ishmael to Mecca.[74] The 14th century Arab historian Ibn Kathir mention that the pre-Islamic Arabs considered Ishmael as their patriarch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

Tracing their lineage to Abraham and Ishmael is literally the common element that ties them together as an ethnic group.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

According to the Abrahamic tradition

Like I said, fairy tales. According to tradition women were also made from a man's rib and people lived for hundreds of years. None of that is real.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Which isn’t really relevant because that fairy tale is the common thing that ties them together. That’s what a fucking ethnic group is. It’s not a race or anything.

An ethnicity or ethnic group is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.

Religion, ancestry, and tradition are the big things that join Arabs together as an ethnic group.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] wolf6152@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

May the coming nuclear war wipe all forms of religion from the face of the earth. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So we can finally see peace on this planet 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[–] 5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As much as I agree, that religion makes people do stupid/dangerous/horrible things, both of the world wars were not started for religious reasons. So maybe, there are more things that make people hate each other than just religion.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Religion is seldom the initial cause of wars, but it is almost always used as a tool to motivate and drag the population along with the war effort.

[–] MetalJewSolid@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

But that doesn’t fit the 2008 new atheist narrative