cozz33

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[–] cozz33@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

This has happened before. One specific movement started then, but the idea is very old https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Zion

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (29 children)

I have literally no idea how Jewish communities sharing specific DNA linking them to the levant has anything to do with white supremacy, or how that makes me a white supremacist. Zionism started after the Jewish Diaspora in 8th century BCE. Are all scientists that study genetics racist? Where are you getting this from and why are you so angry about it?

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (34 children)

Uh no, Zionism is not a Christian idea. It’s been an idea long before Christianity was even around. I’m flabbergasted that you called me a white supremacist for stating a fact. Ethiopian and Ashkenazi Jews could very well share DNA linking them back to the original Jewish diaspora.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2017/03/21/beta-israel-reconsidered-defending-israelite-ancestry-ethiopian-jews/

“As the BBC reports, the study suggests that “Ethiopians mixed with Egyptian, Israeli or Syrian populations about 3,000 years ago.” Professor Chris Tyler-Smith, from the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, told the BBC: “By analyzing the genetics of Ethiopia and several other regions we can see that there was gene flow into Ethiopia, probably from the Levant, around 3,000 years ago, and this fits perfectly with the story of the Queen of Sheba.” Note that the study does not contradict the 2007 work by Entine or other historical evidence. The results suggest that Israelites-Jews entered the region 3,000 years ago, but they were not necessarily consolidated as a group until about 1,500 years ago. Also, note the study does not necessarily confirm the biblical story of affair between Queen Sheba of ancient Ethiopia and king Solomon of ancient Israel.”

Here’s another

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/

“By principal component analysis, it was observed that the Jewish populations of Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East formed a tight cluster that distinguished them from their non-Jewish neighbors (Fig. 1). Within this central cluster, each of these Jewish populations formed its own subcluster, in addition to the more remote localization of members of some Diaspora communities. The observation of a major central tight cluster was supported by statistical metrics for genetic distances (Fst, allelic sharing distances).”

With all this said, even if Ethiopian Jews and Ashkenazi Jews are not actually genetically related, they still get targeted the same whether they practice Judaism or not.

[–] cozz33@kbin.social -5 points 9 months ago

Several different locations were considered at first. I think the levant was chosen because it renders the “go back where you came from” argument moot since they’d be living in the area they originated from.

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (40 children)

It takes like 10 minutes of googling to see Zionism is an umbrella term for multiple different schools of thoughts. People are turning it into some slur when at its core it’s the belief that Jews have a right to a state. Keep in mind that Jews are both a race and a religion.

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

So what would have happened if the Arab nations had won? Do you not see the irony here? The Jews paid for the land legally before declaring their independence. This is fact I can back it up with evidence. Muslim rulers were scared of the possibility of a majority Jewish nation because of how horrible Jews were treated under muslim rule. I can provide a list of all the massacres and pogroms committed against Jews in muslim countries throughout history. The list is staggering. Jews were classified as dhimmi under muslim rule and had to pay an extortion tax as well as being barred from using several of their own holy sites. You can’t attempt an ethnic cleansing on a people and then when it fails cry “ethnic cleansing!” when they return the same behavior they’ve been dealing with for 1000s of years.

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If you declare war and lose, you can’t just go “lol oopsie we didn’t really mean it” and expect nothing to happen. When has the loser in any war not experienced repercussions?

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Where in my comment did I say that lol

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Ya got the date wrong. Nakba happened in 1948 when multiple Arabic nations declared war on Israel after they announced their independence.

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don’t see that when reading the writings of most pioneering Zionists. Not saying there went some that thought like that, but the vast majority I’ve encountered while researching Zionism share roughly the same reasoning: tired of being hunted and having nowhere to run. Think about it, persecuted Christians have all of Europe and America to flee to, Muslims have all of the Middle East and parts of Africa to flee to, the Jews had nowhere to flee to. Frankly, being part of a group that is consistently hunted time and time again throughout history, being called parasites because they have no homeland, will do a number on one’s psychology. I’d wager that the vast majority of Zionists were not in fact fascists, but deeply scared people who saw safety in having a place to call their own.

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That’s a LOT of scheming for a piece of land the size of New Jersey. Even smaller had they agreed to the UN proposal and unified with Transjordan and let the Zionists deal with cultivating the negev desert.

[–] cozz33@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I am quite familiar with the haavara agreement. It was an agreement that allowed Germany to rid itself of its “problem” and allowed Jews to flee to already established Jewish settlements in Palestine. That has absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust. They wanted OUT of Germany. Not herded into a gas chamber…

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