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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Stian Jenssen, the chief of staff to the Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, told a Norwegian newspaper that he should not have spoken as simplistically as he did, after his initial comments prompted an angry reaction from Kyiv.

At a panel event in Norway on Tuesday, Jenssen had said that while any peace deal reached would have to be acceptable to Ukraine, alliance members were discussing how the 18-month war might be brought to an end.

“Precisely for this reason, it is crucially important that we support the Ukrainians with what they need,” the official continued as he sought to emphasise that Nato members remained behind Ukraine.

Ukraine has consistently called for a restoration of its internationally recognised pre-2014 borders and is engaged in a counteroffensive in an attempt to recapture large parts of its territory seized by Russia.

That means deliberately choosing the defeat of democracy, encouraging a global criminal, preserving the Russian regime, destroying international law and passing the war on to other generations.”

Although Kyiv has received donations of western tanks and long-range rockets and artillery, its forces have so far made only limited territorial gains against heavily defended Russia positions.


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[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

this has real "Isn't there somebody you forgot to ask?" vibes about it

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could they do it same day?

Step 1: retake most of their land

Step 2: get paperwork ready

Step 3 declare "defeat", give up a farm, war over, country not in conflict.

Step 4: join NATO

Step 5: catch the mobiks very backfooted

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't just "join NATO"

Sweden isn't a member yet and they haven't beet at war for hundreds of years. I don't doubt that Ukraine will join at some point but it'll probably take years

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One day, you can drive off the lot in a new NATO. Just sign here

Quite literally possible btw. The difficulty is not actually the red tape, or some dumb rule that can be ignored at will, it's getting the existing members to agree to expedite the process.