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Great! But, let's remember this is Facebook after all, so... π€·ββοΈ
...they'll skim the metadata after client-side decryption while on its way to presentation?
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Hell, why stop at Metadata? The app can see all the data before encrypting and sending
(taps head) you got it!
Does it say between which ends is the encryption? Or who manages the keys?
Fuck facebook
Yeah right.
It's end-to-end-to-end encryption.
Your data is now encrypted while they mine it.
Well WhatsApp already has it
Moxie helped WhatsApp integrate the Signal protocol for e2ee, but I dont trust thatt they never implemented any backdoors in their protocol after Moxie was done helping them.
IMO, just use Signal anyways. Fuck Meta
Personally I'm about as willing to trust this as WhatsApp's end-to-end encryption, given Meta/Facebook's involvement, but thought it was worth keeping folks here apprised of the situation in the corporate space.
Has WhatsApp's encryption ever been shown to not be trustworthy?
Facebook has had to provide law enforcement with FB Messenger texts before after being served a warrant. Are you saying this has also happened with WhatsApp, even though that should be impossible? That's a pretty big claim, so I'd love to see your evidence.
To my knowledge, it hasn't, but that's not the main point of my comment so much as expressing my distrust of the parent company. In that respect, no, I'm not aiming to make a claim that Meta/Facebook have had to disclose messages from WhatsApp to law enforcement and essentially undermine its end-to-end-encryption.
Nevertheless, I think it's reasonable and fair to be suspicious of Meta/Facebook given its history of questionable actions concerning people's data. They're in the business of using people's data for marketing/advertising purposes, not safeguarding it, after all.
Itβs Facebook
Itβs closed source
Zero trust from me, not touching any of that
So, no evidence. Gotcha.
For WhatsApp, given how much noise the UK law enforcement has been making about trying to ban encryption, I'm inclined to believe it actually is working. I'm sure Facebook does some metadata analysis and that does feed back into their advertising profiles, but that's a different thing from being able to turn over actual message content that's supposedly been encrypted over to law enforcement.
But hey, if you do find actual evidence, I'm all ears.
Iβm not the person you responded to, so I made no claims that need any evidence.
I just love shitting on fucking rubbish Facebook and will do so online at any point possible.
Fuck yo evidence and fuck yo Facebook
Most people don't so openly state that they don't care about facts or evidence and form their beliefs primarily from vibes, so thanks for at least being upfront about it.
Is it going to be like Whatsapp end-to-end encryption where they just rolled out a 4-digit pincode for "backups" on their servers as the third end?
It sounds like it, although it looks like it's a 6-digit pin instead from the image in the article.
There's also this additional info directly from Facebook's blog post about all this:
When your chats are upgraded, you will be prompted to set up a recovery method, such as a PIN, so you can restore your messages if you lose, change or add a device.
WhatsApp is using the Signal protocol for E2EE chats
Is your issue that it's 4 digits, or something else?
So Facebook, the company that reviews your private messages ( https://money.com/facebook-reviews-private-messages/ ) will let you encrypt your messages to other messenger users (That it also monitors) so that a third party can't get that data without paying them first?
Ah yes, we do end to end encryption bro! Trust me bro!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Meta is rolling out end-to-end encryption for one-on-one chats and calls on Messenger, finally fulfilling a promise thatβs been in the works for quite awhile.
βOur engineers, cryptographers, designers, policy experts and product managers have worked tirelessly to rebuild Messenger features from the ground up.β
According to Crisan, you wonβt sacrifice Messenger features when using encrypted chats, so youβll still be able to use things like themes and custom reactions.
βI believe the future of communication will increasingly shift to private, encrypted services where people can be confident what they say to each other stays secure and their messages and content wonβt stick around forever,β he wrote in a Facebook post.
Last year, the company drew headlines when a 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother faced criminal charges for performing an illegal abortion after police obtained their Messenger chat history.
Anti-encryption advocates say that the technology makes it harder to find bad actors on messaging apps like WhatsApp, which is already encrypted by default.
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