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Video of ceramic storage system prototype surfaces online — 10,000TB cartridges bombarded with laser rays could become mainstream by 2030, making slow hard drives and tapes obsolete::Ceramics-based storage medium consumes very little energy and lasts more than 5,000 years, creators say

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 96 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My apologies to the set designers of The Donnager/Rocinante on The Expanse, for when I said "Ugh, not the glass tile future computer trope again."

[–] anti_antidote@lemmy.zip 22 points 9 months ago

Look if you can trade a little over a hundred isolinear processing chips for a goddamn space cannon it's gotta be worth it

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 15 points 9 months ago

I'm pretty sure that trope is 100% about being able to use the actors' faces while they're doing computer stuff. Same as why space suits always have lights inside the helmets, which would be an insanely bad idea IRL.

[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 60 points 9 months ago (2 children)

To all the naysayers: if the claims hold up this will be super useful for some industries. Example, I worked at a human genomics lab for diagnostics. By law we were supposed to retain raw data for a whopping 120 years. With a couple terabyte per individual for a WGS, the storage and backup costs were very much non-trivial.

[–] DrMango@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As a data analyst at mid-large corporation in America: please stop emailing me that the servers are nearly full. I need to store all of this to stay within regulations and you only give me one place to put my data outputs :(

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

As a regular computer user: please stop telling me my OneDrive is full, I don't even use it, I have no idea how it filled up

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah genomics research has this white elephant problem where the data retention for open science/publication is incredibly expensive for the ones doing the research.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think consumer use is even on Cerabyte's roadmap. They are proposing rack-mounted units for datacenters, and the roadmap includes upgrading from lasers to electron microscopes for higher density in the future. The media are super dense but the equipment to read and write that media is large and complex.

There was some discussion on this a few months back in this thread, as well: https://lemmy.world/post/4695105

As I noted in that other thread, they were set to present at the Storage Developer Conference in October. Looks like the video of their presentation is available now. I have not yet watched it. https://storagedeveloper.org/events/agenda/session/527

Edit: Looking through their presentation PDF, they refer to access times from 10 seconds to 90 seconds. That's whole seconds, no milli, micro, or nano. More a substitute for archival tapes than hard drives or SSDs. They don't seem to address any use case besides cold storage. I'm not saying that to dismiss or criticize the tech, just to point out that the linked article seems to be off target in its analysis, particularly in the headline.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Data hoarders will love it if it's cheaper than current storage methods. How much would you need to pay for 10PB right now?

[–] Bread@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 months ago

I have been waiting for the results of project silica for awhile. The fact there are potential alternatives is very exciting to hear. The hoard is not getting any smaller.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The storage plates probably won't cost much, but the capabilities it uses to write to those plates looks extremely expensive and won't be fitting into your computer tower any time soon.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wow, more amazing technology I can't wait to never hear about again...

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ceramic drives have been in the news for a few years now. They have been edging towards commercial availability for a while. It might take a while until they become available to consumers like yourself, but it's not like nothing is happening.

[–] Skanky@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Holographic storage has been around for about 20 years now. Where's my holographic drive?

[–] Greenknight777@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Looks like you saw right through the marketing. Seems like that product failed to materialize. It fairs to reason those claims were intangible.

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[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Finally something that could hold my entire porn collection.

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[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Something I sometimes think about is how much of humanity's history is just like, gone. Completely forgotten to time. Great works of art that'll never be seen. Amazing compositions that'll never again be heard. An uncalculable number of lifetimes reduced to nothing more than food for the dirt.

The proposition that we could store vast amounts of our current experience on archival slabs and preserve it all far into our distant future is incredibly exciting to me. It wouldn't only allow us to indefinitely preserve all of these incredible works of art our modern world has enabled. But would also allow us to more effectively learn from our collective societal mistakes. It would hopefully be more difficult to ignore our past foibles when we keep such detailed receipts... Hopefully.

If not at least they'll have SpongeBob in 7023 to distract from the cyber-nazis.

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[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can't wait to never be able to afford this

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)

This will never be for the average consumer. By their marketing alone I can tell you they're pretty much exclusively targeting large data centers with this tech.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How big were drives 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 30 years ago? Floppy disks were big for their time. They held 3.5" floppies held a whopping 1.44MB in 1986. Average new phones have capacity orders of a magnitude bigger than that.

You might need to take a step back and look at history before making such absolute claims.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What does this have to do with what I just said?

The problem isn't how much data these can hold, but that they're not rewritable. THAT is what makes them only useful to data centres.

You can only write to them once. But they're not like hard disks or flash memory where you can delete the data and write again.

[–] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

people also have necessities like these. family photos and videos, music and movies ripped from their physical media and ebooks can all be stored in a read only storage device.

I know my family has old photos that they've been trying to digitalize because of the paper slowly degrading, for example. an ordinary hard drive can fail any time. this ceramic thing could be used instead, as it appears to be more durable and there's no need rewrite anything.

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[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Interesting.

How many write-erase cycles can be done?

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

I don't think this is rewritable storage, this looks to be permanent forever storage. So you wouldn't put this in a regular computer.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

0, it's write once read anytime you feel brave enough to dig through 10000TB of data.

[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Still useful as archive storage I guess.

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Now if they could only make one that only costs a couple thousand dollars and fits in a full height 5.25" drive bay.

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I know it was said before in previous decades as storage evolved, but: How the fuck, do you eve fill these up?

[–] 6xpipe_@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

That's only 10 Petabytes per cartridge. The Internet Archive is currently sitting at 212 Petabytes.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

Just wait. Triple AAA devs will find a way to make their code even less optimal so that way the latest call of duty or NBA games will be 5tb in size while also receiving 5tb updates every other day to fix bugs and add paywalled content and gambli- I mean loot boxes.

[–] Dashi@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Call of Duty updates

[–] Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

I like to think of them as IPv6 addresses. You just don't.

[–] AlijahTheMediocre@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

We'll find a way, trust me. Its just an exuse for ever more detailed data.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago
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