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[–] Tramdan@sh.itjust.works 122 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

And all the people who defended the lack of sideloading as a security feature will suddenly think it's a great idea.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They're gonna say anything to justify whatever bullshit shoved down their asses.

[–] Tramdan@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's a little harsh but it does seem strange that when someone is a fan of a product they will refuse to acknowledge its flaws and will see every change, good or bad, as an improvement. Maybe I'm guilty of the same with the products that I like but Apple provides a lot of examples of this behaviour.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hey man, I get wanting to turn blind eye to those flaws, but they don't need to fight people over it..

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[–] Fishytricks@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I still think its a bad idea. Because in my country, the government loves their apps. And being able to bypass the app store will mean that they will force you to install their own “app store”. This would also mean they can put more invasive features in their app.

Or perhaps I’m overthinking it and my government has the best interest for the people.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 11 months ago

Do they do that now for Android?

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

This would also mean they can put more invasive features in their app.

iOS apps will still be sandboxed. You have nothing to fear except whatever data you yourself enter into the app.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think that's a problem with your country, not the ability to sideload.

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[–] Kyiro@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Where do you live?

[–] totallynotfbi@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

From your post history, it looks like you're in Singapore. If so, then I don't think that will be a concern - if anything, given how most government apps treat sideloading on the Android side, they'll probably block you from using them if you use the feature.

[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yea the most they do is bundle it with the phone which you can them easily uninstall.

[–] gornius@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

The apps still need to request OS for specific permissions before they use things like GPS, mobile data, filesystem etc.

But the point you're missing is unless you're building everything yourself, there is always a party that you have to trust. Apple likes to paint itself as trustworthy when it comes to your data, but all the anti-consumer shenanigans they do when it comes to hardware clearly state that the only thing they care about is money.

Remember - it's either convenience with a false sense of security or security. Never both.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, EU.

Please just let this be a global decision, and not like these companies do with GDPR.

[–] sickmatter@fedia.io 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If this turns out to be EU-only, then it’ll be useful for niche apps and ones that aren’t normally allowed (like emulators, third party YouTube apps, and other cool shit), but it won’t be commercially useful for the titans of tech like Google and Meta. Not a bad start.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

The EU is a huge market. Microsoft, for example, is already building their own app store to take advantage of the DMA. Let’s hope that the change puts pressure on regulators in other regions.

[–] SVcross@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (23 children)

Side loading and OS modding would be the only thing that could make migrate.

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 32 points 11 months ago

Changing their business model from walled garden lock-in would be the only thing that'd make me consider migrating.

[–] ArtificialLink@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Only thing that would make me use an iphone is side loading and the ability to place my icons wherever i want. Its crazy to me that icons have to start in the top left. The hardest place to reach especially as phones have gotten bigger. Such a dumb restriction.

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's really a thing? Wow. Guess you can install a bunch of junk apps to fill that corner so you can reach the stuff you actually use lol

[–] lud@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

I believe you can place widgets now which would fill some of the space, still very stupid though.

[–] seang96@spgrn.com 3 points 11 months ago

I had the 2nd and 4th Gen iPod touches and the way to do it back then was to jailbreak it and use an app that installs blank icons so you can "arrange" the pages however you wanted. Good times.

[–] cole@lemdro.id 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

also lifting that stupid ban on other browser engines, and I'd like to see the ability to change more default app stuff

[–] SVcross@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah, that too

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apple May Soon Be Forced To Allow Sideloading Apps on iOS.

[–] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

"We present you a new, groundbreaking and inovative technology" or some other typical shit Apple does.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 29 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I’m really hoping this happens. I’d like to write a few iOS apps for personal use, but I don’t want to pay fees to be a developer.

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[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hope we get dolphin iOS 🥹 without the hassle

[–] dorumon@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Doubt Apple will allow JIT to run on their specific region sideloading.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The DMA requires Apple to provide access to all hardware and software features required to serve competing apps and services. Browser engines are explicitly mentioned several times, and these require JIT access. It’s going to be interesting to see how they implement that.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Does that mean I will finally get browser plugins on Firefox?

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Yes! And Chrome.

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[–] dorumon@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Oh really thats neat! Well I hope it comes here in the states or else my current iPhone will probably be the last I'll ever use once the battery degrades enough or it no longer gets support. I really don't want to have to pay 20 dollars for a signing service and a abunch of outdated apps or be tethered to a computer to use JIT ever again and I would rather just use my android phone for everything.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] dorumon@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good news is you'd probably be able to run a torrent client or anything else that doesn't require JIT code in order to function.

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Brussels Effect. 🇪🇺

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] lord_phantom@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

You can't just type it into your browser?

[–] zwaetschgeraeuber@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

because they are forced to

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