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Microsoft Can't Stop Being Annoying About OneDrive | They make you take a survey every time you close OneDrive on your device.::They make you take a survey every time you close OneDrive on your device.

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[–] 601error@lemmy.ca 62 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Microsoft is the abusive partner wondering how many times they have to hit you to make you love them.

[–] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

With every hit I'm that much closer to leaving 😭

[–] 601error@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago

I can’t leave fully because job, but I can sure as hell lock them inside a VM.

[–] rostby@lemmy.fmhy.net 2 points 7 months ago

Yandere windows

[–] Saki@monero.town 43 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Excuse me, do you have a moment to talk about GNU/Linux? 🙃

When I got my senior mom a computer she had never used Windows. Instead of having her learn that I installed Debian with Xfce and Firefox. Now that’s all she knows, I laugh at people who tell me Linux is too hard when my mom without any tech knowledge uses it as her daily computer. If I had to switch her to Windows or a Chrome browser she’ll make a fuss about it.

How about a live OS as a free trial? Not only free as in free beer, but free as in freedom, and always will be free. You own your OS, not vice versa.

Become a Linux user today, while keeping your precious Windows 11 or whatever. I raise you Tails if you do this at all.

  • Get an unused USB stick, download Tails and make a bootable USB. Typically this will take less than an hour.
  • Restart and boot your computer into Tails.
  • Congratulations! You’re a Debian user now, even on Tor. Meaning your real IP is hidden. Privacy strikes back!
  • Start Tor Browser and enjoy Lemmy. Libre world is usually Tor-friendly (though lemmy.world may be behind CF).

I’m not saying you should ditch Windows today, but you might want to do some experiments? There are other OSes too, if you think yours is (becoming more and more) annoying!

[PS: lemmy.world is indeed behind Cloudflare (CF). You may not be able to use it directly via Tor. I’m okay because writing/reading this from a different, privacy-friendly instance. Though CF is MitM, some people believe it’s necessary. Be careful, though: everything you send, including your password, may be visible to this MitM as plaintext.]

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Any recommendations for replacement utilities for Power Toys and DisplayFusion? Most notably the monitor profile & snap zones short cuts without having to use a mouse, the high order characters, and the multi-clipboard?

Thanks in advance!

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 12 points 8 months ago

I'm not certain exactly what you're referring to, but my experience is that KDE has almost everything built in.

[–] WallEx@feddit.de 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A friend of mine is a programmer, he used i3 as a window manager and that has shortcuts for window snapping build in (and much much more), but is rather difficult to set up

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Cool! I'll check it out.

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Not sure what you mean by high order characters, but KDE has KZones, which can be used to define snap zones, and you can also do the snapping using custom keyboard shortcuts. Multi-clipboard support is also present out-of-the-box in KDE, provided by Klipper.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Perfect. I'll check it out! Thank you.

[–] Saki@monero.town 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If what you’re talking about is something OS-level, chances are that you can trivially do the same thing. But if it’s application-level (a tool for Windows): while there’s a way to run a Windows application, apparently it’s not always perfect. If you really need to use a program that only runs on Windows, that’s a valid reason for you to keep using Windows. I hope you can find a libre alternative. You’re free to code your own tool (which behaves exactly the way you like), but admittedly that option is not always realistic.

Nevertheless, at least when doing something generic like browsing web pages or writing email, you don’t need to do that on a privacy-invasive OS. If more and more users start noticing that, Micro$soft might realize that annoying paying customers is a bad idea in the long run.

It’s preposterous to pay (buy an expensive license) to be abused!

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I should've been more clear. Right now PowerToys and DisplayFusion let me customize where windows go when I use keyboard shortcuts (upper left, centered with large borders to each side, full top to bottom right, bottom right, etc.). On my 49" ultrawide this is a godsend for window management. Was just curious what program on Linux would offer similar behavior.

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[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hope the day comes soon when I can ditch Windows completely and switch to Linux. But that day is certainly not today.

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[–] Tatters@feddit.uk 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would like to try Linux Mint, but there are no Corsair drivers for my CPU AIO cooler. There are workarounds, but it is not ideal. It is a choice between how much Windows annoys me compared to the lack of hardware support in Linux. Currently Windows is still winning. Maybe when Windows 10 is out of support I will switch.

[–] carleeno@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I may be ignorant here, but why do you need drivers for a cooler? Just run it off the mobo headers and let the bios run the curve.

Hardware support has gotten to the point where generally only some very minor bits don't work (which I don't need, like the fingerprint reader on my old lenovo). That said, next time you build/upgrade, start looking at Linux compatibility for hardware to be sure.

[–] Tatters@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Corsair software allows you to create a custom curve for fan speeds by CPU temperature, which I use. It also has a lot of temperature and speed monitors which are sometimes useful, and RGB effects, which I never use. I believe there are others ways to achieve the fine grained control of fan speeds in Linux (or maybe the BIOS), but it is something I would need to get to grips with before considering moving to Linux.

[–] cole@lemdro.id 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Why don't you program the curve in the BIOS?

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 21 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Nag-rosoft at this point. Nag nag nag all the things.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 7 points 8 months ago

"How was the quality of the teams call?"

Yeah f this bs

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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Linux is waiting for you.

[–] theredhood@lemm.ee 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What made me stop using onedrive was when they put that giant "start backup" button in Windows explorer.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This whole situation is kind of sad. OneDrive is pretty good as a synced file system for Windows machines. It really does just sort of "work".

I wish they'd left it alone.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

CEO: but maybe there is some more money to be extracted from it for the next quarter?

[–] PixeIOrange@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Maybe a stupid question: How do they make money of private files being hosted on their server?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There are paid options I guess?

It also ties all the "365" applications together locking out the competition.

Also for training AI possibly.

Edit: for the crap questions I guess it's information to hone in on "better/higher" prices.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 7 months ago

Data is the new oil. Any number of things they can do with your data so they want it, bad.

[–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago

It really does just sort of "work".

"Sorry, there was a problem. (Error code 0x0000fkn69)"

Nothing Microsoft makes ever works.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This was actually the reason I downgraded. I have never used one drive. It's shit. I'm not starting now. Certainly not when you've FORCED me to use it. I had to do back flips to disable that fucking thing and it was still taking up space in the left sidebar of the file explorer. Then everytime I boot the PC up, it started and cried about how it isn't being used. Then when I closed it, it cried about how I'm mean computer daddy.

It's my computer. It's a piece of shit that barely works but it's mine. If that sat in the background unused and was an option to disable, fine. But the more you force things on me the more spiteful I am going to be.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

It's the first app I uninstall in a new windows install

[–] crushyerbones@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

I feel bad for saying this but I pay for onedrive because it was the best way to make a synchronised library of ebooks that I can use offline in my tablet.

Yes every other cloud storage solution was more expensive or outright didn't support it for some god forsaken reason. Some needed you to manually press a download button. Google Drive needs you to manually set every file to available offline and even then it won't work all the time.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You can use syncthing and not have to rely on cloud storage or pay for anything. I use it to keep my ebook library synchronized across devices and it does the job.

[–] crushyerbones@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll definitely take a look at it and hopefully I'll be able to drop onedrive if it all works out :)

[–] Ragerist@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

And then they start scanning your files, for your safety and "the children". Find something they don't like. Might even be perfectly legal, and close your account. Because AI...

Puff, gone are your files and you have zero way to appeal.

There is NO cloud.. only someone else's computer...

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I pay for OneDrive partly for the offline folders option, after I found that Google Drive didn't always keep files marked to use offline on my phone.

But recently I tried to view a file in an "offline" folder and it had to download it. I confirmed this in airplane mode with another.

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Interesting 🤔 I didn't expect this to be reason. Like I have it and 99% not use it, well I have some stuff synced there but... like is nice if have to restore something but I never use that...

I mainly have it because is included with the Office stuff. Well actually I have an Excel file in there that I have some numbers of my accounts status but it could have been on Google Spreadsheets....

[–] LinusOnLemmyWld@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I also use one onedrive for cloud sync even though I haven't touched windows in a while now. but rclone works great on it. 1tb onedrive comes with my business email subscription

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can't imagine anybody does something else than click randomly, just to make it go away LOL

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago

Yea what do they think will happen, someone will go "you know what maybe I don't have a good reason to close this"

[–] Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 7 points 7 months ago

Just fucking use lInux

[–] DerpyPlayz18@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I am just going to kill it with task manager at this point

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Microsoft being annoying about ads, forced surveys, or pushy polls is nothing new.

These appeared in the guise of ‘notifications’ repeatedly convincing users to start using Microsoft’s services such as OneDrive.

Again, these came in the form of not-so-gentle reminders that insisted you start using, for instance, Microsoft 365.

Every time you quit OneDrive on your PC, you must take a survey on why you chose to close the app.

At the bottom, the usual ‘Cancel’ option would take you back to using this case if you change your mind about closing it.

I’m sure that Microsoft hopes data from these surveys will have some value in helping improve the OneDrive experience.


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