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Transgender people can be baptized in the Catholic Church and serve as godparents, per an official Vatican document published Wednesday.

Why it matters: The decision builds on Pope Francis' support for LGBTQ+ people, who have faced marginalization from the church — though the pope has previously approved a Vatican doctrine that Catholic priests cannot bless same-sex unions because God "does not and cannot bless sin."

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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've got nipples Greg, can you baptize me?

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Okay this is the second time I've seen a quote like this in the past couple days. Yet the only time I've ever seen this quote was on QI. Rich Hall asking Stephen Fry if he could be milked.

Is... Is this the reference? Or am I totally lost

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXI21S4ZWJU

Edit... The fact that I am explaining a meme to Stamets... My day is complete. I can't top this.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 5 points 9 months ago

Huh... I've never actually seen that movie. That makes a whole lot of sense. Also makes sense why Rich would have said it on QI. Was within a year or two of that movies release so the quote probably stuck.

Well. Today I learned.

Also yes you can fuckin top this. I'm a random dumbass who's specced his points all over the place but nothing consistently in one area. I'm like the first or second gym leader. You're the protag. You got this. Go kick todays ass.

[–] seth@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But why would they want to? When the Vatican stops pretending to have any special knowledge or authority on what is moral, is when anyone should give them any credit, especially given the almost exclusively immoral history of the Roman Catholic church.

[–] fluke@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This isn't necessarily a message to transgender people as individuals, but more a message to their followers that they cannot use their religion as an excuse for their bigotry and ignorant hatred.

Just because it may not make a difference overnight it doesn't mean that it isn't a step in the right direction.

[–] ShustOne@lemmy.one 3 points 9 months ago

Very good point

[–] Ziggurat@fedia.io 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The catholic church still has a huge societal influence and social power,. In many countries, they own hospital, charities, schools, daycares and provide tons of other important services to their members. So in some place being part of the Church is more than just "praying". Add also the huge number of practicing and cultural catholic who would still see the Church as a reference organization regarding ethic.

That said, people will still have other way to be bigot : We don't hate them for being trans but for having non married sex, is an easy one

[–] seth@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I agree, and think the majority of people who associate with the RCC do it out of a need to be included in a community where the church has much control. I don't think most of them actually agree with the doctrines or even know what they are. The community control is the issue.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Vatican can shove it's baptisms where the sun don't shine.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Aren’t we wanting them to stop doing that?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

When you say it like that, you make it sound so... dirty. I guess it's appropriate, then.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Makes me wonder if a previous Pope had to specifically decree that left-handed people can be baptized. I swear people will invent the most bizarre and arbitrary rules to exclude people who are different in some way and then pretend the rule they just made up appears verbatim in whatever book they think God wrote.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The primary existence of the Pope just seems to be a social update system. Because of the whole divine appointment nonsense, whatever the Pope says is supposed to be from the lips of God. But the only thing I've ever seen that used for was for nutty stuff by nutty popes and these types of decrees. Basically just updating the Bible to what's currently socially acceptable.

The Pope is literally just a religious version of Windows Update. For a God that's supposedly infallible and never makes mistakes, no less.

The whole thing makes no fuckin sense.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Someone should let the Pope know that diddling kids and hiding people who diddle kids isn't socially acceptable.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This will surely be welcome news to all of the transgender people already serving as godparents.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Marlon Brando voice: you come to me on my first day of transition..

[–] ahriboy@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)