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[–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not too surprised, they're probably downgrading the publicly available version of ChatGPT because of how expensive it is to run. Math was never its strong suit, but it could do it with enough resources. Without those resources, it's essentially guessing random numbers.

[–] PupBiru@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

from what i understand, the big change in chat-gpt4 was that the model could “ask for help” from other tools: for maths, it knew it was a maths problem, transformed it to something a specialised calculation app could do, and then passed it off to that other code to do the actual calculation

same thing for a lot of its new features; it was asking specialised software to do the bits it wasn’t good at

[–] whyrat@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Chat GPT will just become a front end for Wolfram Alpha?

[–] DrMux@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My guess is that it's more a result of overfitting for alignment. Fine-tuning for "safety" (rather, more corporate-friendly outputs).

That is, by focusing on that specific outcome in training the model, they've compromised its ability to give well-"reasoned" "intelligent" sounding answers. A tradeoff between aspects of the model.

It's something that can happen even in simple statistical models. Say you have a scatter plot of data that loosely follows some trend, and you come up with two equations to describe that trend. One is a simple equation that loosely follows it but makes a good general approximation, and the other is a more complicated equation that very tightly fits the existing data. Then you use those two models to predict future data. But you find that the complicated equation is making predictions way off the mark that no longer fit the trend, and the simple one still has a wide error (how far its prediction is from the actual data) but still more or less accurately fits the general trend. In the more complicated equation, you've traded predictive power for explanatory power. It describes the data you originally had but it's not useful for forecasting data that follows.

That's an example of overfitting. It can happen in super-advanced statistical models like GPT, too. Training the "equation" (or as it's been called, spicy autocorrect) to predict outcomes that favor "safety" but losing the model's power to predict accurate "well-reasoned" outcomes.

If that makes any sense.

I'm not a ML researcher or statistician (I just went through a phase in college), so if this is inaccurate I'm open to corrections.

[–] DR_Hero@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I've definitely experienced this.

I used ChatGPT to write cover letters based on my resume before, and other tasks.

I used to give it data and tell chatGPT to "do X with this data". It worked great.
In a separate chat, I told it to "do Y with this data", and it also knocked it out of the park.

Weeks later, excited about the tech, I repeat the process. I tell it to "do x with this data". It does fine.

In a completely separate chat, I tell it to "do Y with this data"... and instead it gives me X. I tell it to "do Z with this data", and it once again would really rather just do X with it.

For a while now, I have had to feed it more context and tailored prompts than I previously had to.

[–] MrMamiya@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It’s gonna be so fucking rich that the staggering mass of stupidity online prevents us from improving an AI beyond our intelligence level.

Thank the shitposter in your life.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You can't really blame the amount of stupidity online.

The problem is that ChatGPT (and other LLM) produce content of the average quality of its input data. AI is not limited to LLM.

For chess we were able to build AI that vastly outperform even the best human grandmasters. Imagine if we were to release a chess AI that is just as good as the average human...

[–] Nonameuser678@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Shitposting saves jobs

[–] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Must be because of all the censoring. The more they try to prevent DAN jailbreaking and controversial replies, the worse it got.

[–] dugite_code@mastodon.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is my experience in general. ChatGTP when from amazingly good to overall terrible. I was asking it for snippets of javascript, explanations of technical terms and it was shockingly good. Now I'm lucky if even half of what it outputs is even remotely based on reality.

[–] Pepperette@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

They probably laid off the guy behind the curtain.