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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

New York resident here. Hakeem Jeffries has always sucked. As does Kathy Hochul. Complete garbage.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Not projection, just a flat out lie.

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 day ago

Ah, Dan Goldman, why?? Damn it.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

With the current political climate USA is in, it might weaken him to get endorsements from the establishment.

Their masks are coming off. Voting in line with republicans and being vocal against anything progressive.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I was thinking the other day after NPR mentioned Elon's recent spat that he could fund other candidates in mid terms. If he endorsed Democrats that might do more harm than good lol.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

For sure. I would immediately be sceptical of any candidate, even progressives, if Elon endorsed them.

We'd end up with another Fetterman.

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Ah, but if you said anything against the blue (but not in favor of red), you were the vile, evil... CENTRIST! (I.e. a label just applied to you to single you out for not blindly agreeing with the zeitgeist.) Seriously, the front page of Lemmy for a good while was just toxic political "VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO" and if you didn't agree, you were just a problem.

[–] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The critical part of 'vote blue no matter who' is the voting part. That's the game plan short-term when it's election season.

That does not preclude criticizing the incumbents. Or even the candidates. But no matter how you feel about them, you vote for them to stave off misery, and encourage everyone around you to do the same.

Not voting for them sends a message, but it's the wrong message - and that message is that the populace prefers the GOP. Stop fascism in its tracks and vote blue. Fight for actual progress by doing what you can to forward actual progressive candidates and policies. Like NYC is doing right now.

It boggles my mind how people seem to be incapable of wrapping their head around that concept, and instead continue to insist that we shouldn't be voting for DNC candidates because


uh - it'll make things better??? Somehow??? At this point, the willful ignorance is starting to smack of sealioning.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not voting for them sends a message, but it’s the wrong message - and that message is that the populace prefers the GOP

Hard disagree on that. That's assuming the intentions of the people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_are_either_with_us,_or_against_us

If you're argument is that we need to be doing what's right and pushing for progress, then why is that cast as something ONLY the "blue" can do? I don't know how old you are to see how many times the "blue" has absolutely failed at their job, failed the people, but for no other reason than they're in the right party, they keep getting voted in. But I've seen several "blue" presidents do anywhere from fuckall to the bare minimum in terms of progress/change.

There are other options to vote for that don't just include the GOP as you seem to suggest. The US isn't supposed to be just a 2 party system. It's supposed to be dynamic; these parties are supposed to die off when they no longer represent the people. If you want progress and change, but keep doing the same thing that doesn't seem to be all that progressive.... are you making any progress?

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 23 hours ago

Hard disagree on that. That’s assuming the intentions of the people.

No it's not. It's acknowledging the fact that campaigning politicians largely view people as one of the following:

  • With us
  • Against us
  • Someone we might be able to persuade to be with us
  • Not relevant

If you don't vote, they categorise you in that last one. It doesn't matter what's in your heart, what matters is how they perceive you. The only tool you have to change that is your vote.

[–] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

I don't know if you've been watching the current political climate in the USA, but 'anywhere from fuckall to the bare minimum' is drastically, ridiculously, absurdly better than what the GOP is doing when they are in power - and when first-past-the-post is the only voting method, and elections are as tight as they are, you can whinge all you want about the morality of voting for someone who doesn't actually represent your interests, but not voting blue helps the GOP win.

The system is broken, yes, but harm reduction is the name of the game when it's the only choice you are given.

Save the moralizing for primaries and local races. We've seen what happens when people withhold their vote, and what happens is fascism.

[–] smrtprts@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

FPTP voting results in 2 parties unfortunately. until the system changes, voting 3rd party does fuck all.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the general election, that's what you should do. If establishment Dems don't back their nominee, it doesn't change how you should vote.

People who didn't vote blue in 2024 actively chose a fascist regime. Anyone who doesn't vote blue in all the upcoming elections (with a Fetterman exception, but he should be primaried) is endorsing the MAGA movement.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Hard disagree. If we continue the narrative that the US is a 2 party system, actively rejecting and backing other parties in fear "the bad guy will win" (a sentiment and view shared with the Dem/Rep parties), then we've entered a endless loop that only as we've seen over the decades, is a race to the bottom. We elected Biden because we didn't want Trump and largely for no other reason. That's not a good reason. And Biden even commented that he was perhaps too old (his words).

And it's a fallacy, shared by the Dem/Rep, to fear-monger the "If you don't vote for MY party, then it's voting for the other party (the bad guys)". This was a false narrative that was spread this election and several before it, to prevent anyone else from opposing the status quo. A vote for 'not my party' is not a 'vote for the other party'. If I can't vote how I want (speaking broadly here for everyone), then my vote doesn't matter. And if my vote doesn't matter, then I'm not being represented. And if you're going to argue that, I'd like to point to the huge number of eligible voters who consistently don't vote. If we cast non-votes as a vote of no confidence, we'd see a big change in things. But doing that means Dem/Rep would lose the seesaw swings in power they have come to enjoy.

So no, you shouldn't just throw your vote blindly behind any side. Especially because the internet thinks you should (and again, that goes for Dem/Rep alike).

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

When the major party candidates include a literal fascist building concentration camps and sending people to torture prisons without due process and a wildly imperfect opposition party candidate, you for against the literal fascist.

People who chose not to vote for Harris because they weren't "excited" to vote for her chose not to stand in the way of Trump, and they are responsible for him winning the election.

If you didn't vote for Harris, you have blood on your hands and should be losing sleep over it.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 136 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Huge correlation with AIPAC being their top donors, fyi.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 28 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Find me a politician on the US national stage who isn't funded by AIPAC.

Massie doesn't count.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, Rashida Tlaib, Summer Lee, AOC (though she's compromised with the party leadership on Israel's genocide to an abhorrent degree nonetheless), Ayanna Presley, Cory Bush (successfully primaried over it) and Jamaal Bowman (ditto), and everyone else not listed here.

They're a small minority for sure, but they exist and pretending otherwise just feeds into the manipulative establishment "electability" narrative that they use to poison the public against progressive candidates.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 days ago

I find it incredibly ironic and enlightening that the one Jewish congressperson I can name off the top of my head is on this list.

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[–] deddit@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (16 children)

Okay, just hear me out for a second.... I completely agree they should endorse him, but rather than just saying they are irreverent (though this may actually be the case) I would like to know in clear and concise terms WHY they are waiting/failing to endorse the man whom was chosen by the people. I think knowing why they won't endorse him is very relevant to the discussion. Eith

TLDR; their silence is very telling.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Honestly, I don't want their endorsement. Fuck em. This party is getting taken over by the left or we're burning it down.

I think they see the inevitable rise of fascism and don't want to get grabbed by Trump's brown shirts. They're liberals that are being scratched and looking for a safe place in the future.

They didn't even do their typical. "Oh we're against the bombing of Iran but because he didn't go through Congress". I literally was waiting to roll my eyes at all their liberal "following procedure for our war crimes" but they even stayed quiet about it mostly.

We had two parties. Fascist and Liberals. Now we just have fascist and Liberals looking for a safe place in the new power structures. They're kind of confused I think. A little caught off guard with how much Trump is following through on actual policy. They're use to both parties lying and giving working class dollars to the rich. The conservatives are no longer playing the game of politics they all use to love that got nothing done.

Fuck the party leaders and most of these shits in Washington. They have no place now. We don't need their endorsement.

We can win with the momentum. We don't need to win power back through votes. We just need to give this countries people enough hope to build class consciousness. Decades can happen it weeks.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I don't know about the rest of them, though I certainly have my suspicions, but with gillibrand it's very clearly just racism. That interview she gave was extremely telling.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's rich people. The reason is rich people.

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you primary these establishment fucks out you don't have this problem.

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[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 80 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Why the fuck is schumer still in office?! Hes the very definition of a dickless, useless democrat. Fuck that guy, just get lost useless boomer, let someone who gives a shit take the seat.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago

AOC will probably primary him. Schumer is at something like a 2 decade low in approval while AOC polls much higher state-wide.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 days ago (4 children)

He's WORSE than useless. Not only is he a Manchin level shill for fossil fuel interests, he's said that his job is to "keep the left Pro Israel", a statement so blatant that he'd call out anyone ascribing that sentiment to him for using the antisemitic "dual loyalty" trope.

There's literally REPUBLICANS in Congress right now that are less awful than he is! Imagine that: the Senate leader of what the Dem leadership pretends to be the Left being worse than some actual fascists 🤬

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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Did those politicians say "vote blue no matter who" or was that people online in an effort to avoid gestures broadly?

Genuine question, they've always been massive disappointments who would benefit from that.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (16 children)

I specifically said "vote blue no matter who", because while yes, there are Establishment Democrats that exist, Extermination Republicans are quite objectively fucking worse.

Because if Fascist 47 wasn't in office, we could at least try to get shit done, instead of putting out 17+ daily fires.

[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Rebrand: Vote Blue, because what else can you do?

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

It's always been the same fear mongering strategy dems and Repubs have always used. Today it's just very effective.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 days ago

Add them to the list.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago

VBNMW was always "we want to give you a shitty candidate, you'll vote for it and you'll like it."

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