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[–] Susurrus@lemm.ee 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As usual, mass propaganda turns the world black and white, and divides people exactly into two groups to make sure they never unite.

By the way, you can acknowledge that both sides are made up of the worst scum human history has ever seen and vote for the "lesser evil" at the same time! You don't have to, and you probably shouldn't let your vote influence your entire personality and/or belief system.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Both sides can't be "the worst" if one is "the lesser evil".

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[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

at best is dark gray and black. there aren't any acceptable candidates. no one is perfect, but come on. how hard is it not to have neoliberal war criminals?

[–] Philosaraptor7@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

Biden was lip stick on a pig. Trump is cutting a pig open.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 104 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Biden had one (1) job. And that was to save the union from fascism. He misunderstood, appointed Merrick Fucking Sit On His Hands Garland because of vibes or some shit, and then fucked around. Now we are all finding out what it is like to live under fascism. Thanks Biden!

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

Yeah. Fuck him.

Insofar as the president is, by nature, a flawed and pressured human being, I generally try to make allowances for poor decision-making, outdated thinking, and political maneuvering (requiring even speech to be measured and often untruthful about intent or feeling - if not outright lies about the facts) both around the electorate and elected officials. It would be unfair to expect miracles of even the best men, much less mediocre compromise candidates of the sort which generally succeed in American politics.

But Biden made a series of unforced errors, and by what became increasingly obvious as immense hubris rather than simple miscalculation. He very well may have lost American democracy (or what amount of democracy we had) to a fascist demagogue, and a remarkably stupid and incoherent fascist demagogue even by the already-low-standards of that job, and it's very conceivable that even unfucking ONE of Biden's many mistakes could have made all the difference in preventing that cretin, considering the closeness of the election.

Fuck Biden. His name is mud.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago

Garland would have been on the Supreme Court if not for Trump, it was thought Garland would come after Trump for revenge over it...

Lol no

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[–] Redfeather@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Totally the same. Biden picked Deb Holland for head of DOI and attempted to make an earnest apology for the US's genocide of Natives via boarding schools.

Tronald Dump did exactly the same thing and cut $300 billion from food assistance that includes Indian country, which are basically third world countries with very little access to food, clean water, housing that isn't a makeshift sheet metal, or healthcare that could prevent life long disabilities and/or premature death.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, both of the sides that aren't interested in fixing wealth inequality, the single most impactful trend, which is required to be fixed to fix many other problems, are the same.

The inability to force the rich to make meaningful concessions is a fatal flaw for both parties

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

they are a ratchet,

Dems are hell bent in maintaining wealth inequality, while conservatives just want to funnel more inequality into their pockets. then democrats forget that they have the power of fixing things and maintain the new status quo.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 55 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Don't forget:

1-Enabled genocide against increasing opposition from his base. 2-Didn't go after Trump for treason. 3-Didn't go after price gouging, giving Trump a massive gift for his campaign. 4-Refused to step down despite clearly being unfit for a second term.

Biden did have a fair number of accomplishments during his term, but each one of these failures outweighs all of them combined.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Meh.

IMO, the problem is that Dems aren't focusing on the economy in the correct way. Yeah, Biden did some good things. But you've still got massive wealth inequality, high rents and home prices, venture capital firms buying up small companies and jacking prices way the fuck up, executives raking in huge profits and salaries while laying off workers, etc. Dems keep saying, "the economy is great!" while working class people--the vast middle class in the US, which includes mid-level white collar jobs--are feeling like they're working hard for less. Ever since the crash in '08, jobs have been less stable, and people have been turning to gig work to make ends meet, or to have anything extra in their budgets. Sanders is the only left-leaning politician that's really banging on that drum.

Dems used to be out there running for good jobs for hard working people, work with dignity that you could live on. But they've been ignoring their roots for the last 40 years, and have been bought and sold by corporate America. The liberlization/globalization of the economy [EDIT] has largely been a disaster for working-class people, as they've been forced to compete against lower-wage workers, while the capitalist class gets even larger profits. (OOH, the liberalization of America's trade policies has resulted in millions of people outside of the US being able to live in something other than grinding, abject poverty.)

In addition to that, Biden's debate performance was a fucking disaster, and made it very, very clear to everyone that he was absolutely not fit to be president. Harris should have put some distance between herself and Biden, but she couldn't, or wouldn't; she was suggesting that we continue the same policies that are squeezing the working class, rather than calling for systemic reform.

Meanwhile, Trump was promising that he'd make foreign companies pay, and that he'd bring good jobs back. If you're a low-information voter that doesn't understand how tariffs work, and don't think about the logistics of bringing all the manufacturing back, then this sound great.

Meanwhile, you've got the whole right wing media machine telling people--mostly men--that they're right to feel screwed. And yeah, they are. It's just that it's not 'libs', women, typical immigrants, etc.; it's corporate profiteering, trade globalization, the loss of power from unions, importing highly-skilled labor to displace higher-paid American workers (e.g., H1-B abuse), outsourcing everything, etc.

If Dems want to win, they need to get serious about good jobs that pay a living wage for middle America, putting a choke-chain on corporate profiteering, and rebuilding the power of labor.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They won't; sponsored by the big capital, they are not capable of providing a large systemic change without losing the platform to speak on.

The issue is systemic, and Dems are not fit to solve it. Third party, funded by the regular people, is the only way forward.

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[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

These comments make me realize just how many people don't really know their history.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 45 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Too bad Biden will be remembered for his greed and wanting a second term just to doom us to Trump's second term. All the good he did will be wiped out over the next 4 years.

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[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Do not glorify Biden. Go back to Obama if you want an actual worthwhile role model. Biden was 110% on board with Bush in going to Iraq and spent the last 20 years of his career aggressively trying to break social security. Fuck boomer Biden.

[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

I would say Obama is even worse than Biden as a role model to glorify.

You can draw a direct line between Obama's fellating of wall street and the rise to power of MAGA. He was elected on a mandate to punish the bankers and utterly failed at this task, he failed to enshrine Roe Vs Wade, and started a few wars. Combine this with other events like the management of Bernie Sanders' first attempt at the presidency, and you have a spectacularly inept democrat party that lost all credibility/appeal with swing voters.

Taking the current politics at face value, Trump would have 0 appeal if the democrats had a reasonable management of the border, if the democrats had actual economic politics instead of identity politics and didn't bend the knee to the military industrial complex as much as republicans did.

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

At least he really pushed back against the ongoing genoci- oh wait, no, he did the opposite of that.

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[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago

Glorification of the badies, because the worst came to power...

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

So there's two factors that gave Trump (barely) the election (all the battleground states were narrowly chosen)

One, I speculate and no one seems to be addressing, is the trillion-dollar far-right propaganda machine. FOX News, OANN, Michael Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan and so on. It's continuously pumping content out to the population telling them that liberals are all communists and women should all be tradwives. Also that everyone nonwhite or poor is a leech on the economy.

The other is the King Log vs. King Stork thing. In those industrialized nations where the left-side party is neoliberal (preserves the status quo), the far right parties get strong support. It was happening across Europe around when Trump got elected, though there's been a left-side push-back since, possibly due to Trump providing a visible example of who they don't want in office. Canada's economist / banker PM was elected due to Trump, we are pretty sure.

Biden was as right wing as they come in the Democratic party, and for 2020 the party's principals (who get their own votes) chose him, deciding that everyone else was too socialist for them. Biden was Biden (that is, an establishment neoliberal, with some efforts to appeal to the public. And then in 2024 he pulled out of the race, and Harris took over and in the last few months of campaigning appealed to less-nazi Republicans, which alienated her base.

The election was won by MAGA disciples voting only top ballot (for Trump and nothing else) and lost by low-information Democrats who weren't motivated or decided to send a message by failing to show.

Regardless, figuring out how he won is more important than figuring out how to get rid of him, because even if he dies, the GOP is going to church out Secret Hitler after Secret Hitler, and the Democratic party, determined not to go left, is going to fall into irrelevance, just before they are imprisoned / killed as political enemies.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

lost by low-information Democrats

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Don't forget about the efforts to disenfranchise voters. Registered voter roll purges. Threats against their physical safety. Bomb threats. Closing of polling locations in blue districts. Overwhelmingly long lines in blue districts. Probationary ballots. Signature verification.

FFS it took me 6 months to renew my DL in a red state. The minute I got fed up with it and drove two hours to the middle of no where I was able to renew that same day. The voter disenfranchisement is real and intentional.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Ironic since all of those bills were heavily cut down to gain "bipartisan" support and then Republicans still refused to vote for them, classic Democrat move. Kinda like how he gave up the race to Trump and then went on a photo tour with him like they're buddies (which is pretty massive evidence for the Uniparty theory imo).

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

Ironic since all of those bills were heavily cut down to gain “bipartisan” support and then Republicans still refused to vote for them, classic Democrat move.

They were heavily cut down to gain the support of 'moderate' Dems whose support to pass them was literally indispensable. The Senate was literally at 50-50 for the first two years, and 51-49 for the next two.

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Genocide Joe is the liberal hero

[–] Soulg@ani.social 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah we need to not make Biden look like he was perfect and only good, it's very easy to illustrate how much better he was than Trump without ignoring the bad.

[–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

this makes trump look like a funny cartoon villain stealing candy from the elderly, rather than a nazi intentionally persecuting minorities.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago

Biden boasted about having deported more people during his term than Trump did during his first term..

And then there also is the whole genocide thing and DNC people attacking minorities as stupid and disloyal for not having turned out for them any longer, showing what they really think of people who aren't white or upper class.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

It also makes the left broadly look like people who character-worship their own "leader" just like the right has "their guy."

I can't speak for all liberals, but I kind of think this is one of the primary "dividing lines" between the political spectrums in America. There are the people who latch onto simple narratives and power-structures like "USA GOOD LEADER GOOD" and people who are very skeptical of power and look at your government like OUR employees and should be held to account no matter what their politics are. Both sides keep projecting their own values onto the other and are making ZERO progress because of this.

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Why not add a third party here?

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because there haven't been any 3rd party presidents :(

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[–] mofreak@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

He only did genocide like a smol bean 🥹

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[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 29 points 3 days ago

Post this on Facebook and watch your account get banned.

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