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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People tend to shit on clones, but who else can come up with a large enough army to defend the Republic?

[–] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 14 points 2 years ago

At 1/2^42 odds, you're unlikely to have a large enough army to man a V Wing, much less defend the Republic

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not even the Republic, it would appear.

The Confederacy of Independent Systems has far more BattleDroids than your Republic has Clones.

Defeat of the Republic is inevitable.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago

Yes but battle droids can't improvise!

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's unlikely to have ever happened.

2^42 is 25 times the total number of people ever born in all of history.

[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

...i think it's quite a bit more than that

[–] MadLegoChemist@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago

I had to check the math and I was surprised that 2^42 is “only” 4.4 trillion. Thought it would be a lot greater like there are less atoms in the universe similar to the uniqueness of a shuffled deck of cards.

[–] 30p87@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also, twins aren't identical copies either. Different fingerprint etc.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fingerprints aren't genetically coded, and clones wouldn't have the same fingerprints, either.

[–] 30p87@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I typically associate "clone" with "an exact copy", with the same exact molecular layout and even thoughts. So a literal exact copy. Clones on a DNA basis, so something possible for years, would indeed be different in some details.

[–] PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lib.lgbt 3 points 2 years ago

The definition of "clone" you believe in is science fiction nonsense. Why believe in nonsense when the scientific definition of clone is different?

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 42 points 2 years ago

You didn't factor recombination. Nobody ever receives any of their parents' exact chromosomes, except the sex chromosomes from dad - each pair shuffles up the equivalent DNA between the 2 chromosomes, resulting in 2 chromosomes that are each a mix of both of that parent's chromosomes of that pair, one of which is passed on to the child for each pair for each parent.

[–] jcdenton@lemy.lol 32 points 2 years ago

Delete your account

[–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

[–] match@pawb.social 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

google chromosome crossing over

[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

Yea the number is way higher than that

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Holy genetic diversity

[–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

You mean googol?

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Untrue, chromosomes also get shuffled during crossover

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well that's some cursed knowledge right there.

[–] PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lib.lgbt 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I figured this out while thinking about Red Dwarf. Canonically, Lister is his own father. How can his DNA remain stable across all the time loops if he's saturated his own ancestry with himself? This is the answer. It was a 1 in 2^42 chance the first time, but after that, the time loop preserves the coincidence and Lister ends up his own clone every time. He gets all his own DNA from himself every time, and then he just has to get the same DNA from his mum every time. The science is sound. It's tremendously unlikely, but in the infinity of the universe it had to happen eventually, assuming an infinite supply of time travellers banging their own mums.

You can also apply this logic to Futurama, Star Trek, and any other science fiction show with a grandfather paradox.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Great now I have to change accents in the 3rd panel.