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The homosexual underground in action

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This sentence could land you in prison for life if they go ahead with "suspending" habeas corpus. Remember folks, if your detention cannot be challenged legally, it doesn't matter AT ALL whether your detention was legal. If you think they'll never come for you, you're forgetting that they'll rely on the volunteer army of MAGA "informers" who will turn you in for treason because you annoyed them by being kind to someone they were bullying or something completely trivial. Without habeas corpus, suspicion is sentencing.

[–] walktheplank@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But the courts will save me...right?

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

No, the courts absolutely couldn't save you, that's exactly what suspension of habeas corpus means - habeas corpus means that if you're imprisoned, it can be challenged in the courts by you or someone else. If you lose habeas corpus, no one can challenge anyone's imprisonment legally. It removes the right to trial. Your right to a trial if you're imprisoned is called habeas corpus.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Also exactly what Hitler did with the Reichtag Fire Decree: https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/the-reichstag-fire/

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 90 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

IIRC, white Jesus is specifically made to look like members of the Medici family, who were major sponsors of the same Renaissance artists who painted most of our iconic religious art.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 3 points 18 hours ago

Thanks I'm gonna call him Medici Jesus now and accuse anyone who uses that portrayal of Medici propaganda

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 hours ago

He looks more gold than white to me.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago

Because he's the son of God

And according to Europeans or those of European descent, the son of God has got to be white like them and not some dirty brown curly haired middle eastern Arab.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Probably because 95% oft all people in the medieval age and prior (where this specific depiction of portrait-jesus emerged) have never seen a black person all their life - including artists. Can't blame people for drawing people as they know them.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Nah, Europe had black people.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean, yes, black people were present but in very small numbers, and their presence was rare enough that they often stood out significantly in the historical record. The most were probably around the southern borders of todays europe, like spain, italy and greece, but black people in todays germany, poland or even further up north were an absolute rarity. Even in southern europe, black people were rare enough that many people only saw a handful of them in their lifetime.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Germany nor Poland made the white jesus, your bringing up an entirely moot point

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmerzensmann

German art of jesus.

I don't know polish so idk what to look for, but I'm very certain I'd find some white jesus art from that timeframe from a polish artist.

Please fuck off, you lemmy.ml people are fucking uninformed beyond imagination but pretend you know everything. You are so obnoxious. Get out of my feed.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Awww you gonna cry you massive baby, somebody goes against you and start crying .ml user you Virgin. I chose this instance by random but my god do I love how weird losers on the internet get so attached to weird meaningless things.

That's the 15th century so Germany didn't make the white jesus as you said 6th century right? Please cry more. Where is is this 6th century white jesus btw?

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I posted you a fucking link to 6th century white jesus german art you fucking moron. My god, you're genuinely a fucking fruitless discussion partner. Go fuck off now, cheerio.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Running off like a little removed ay, come on bro 6TH CENTURY WHITE JESUS. Where is it then lmfaooooo Average hardcore high school drop out Lemmy user in his mom's basement moment

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

That's 15 century from Germany, are you stupid as fuck? Hes also clearly Jewish and showing showing characteristics as medieval Europe knew he was a Jew. Where is white jesus then?

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Many people only saw a hundred people in their lifetime. Most people were farmers. There were no trains or TV then.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those people weren't the ones painting paintings and writing stories

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, those people saw plenty of black people

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, but these were painted in Italy.

They've barely got any black people even now.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah the Moors controlled the Iberian peninsula for nearly 800 years from 711-1492.

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[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They've seen Arabs and Semites haven't they... The land where jesus is from. Why you talking like jesus is from the heart of Africa

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because many haven't? It's not like people in medieval europe could take a quick trip with ryanair from tel aviv to berlin lmao. Black people in central europe were rare enough that many people have never seen one in their life. Most of them were around the borders of todays southern europe.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can already tell you're not at all well versed in this topic. Have you heard of a concept called trade mate? Did you know that before the Roman empire even existed a network of trade and safe passage was made that could traverse from China to the furthest western point of Europe including India, the steppes and African trade (east coast). Also you keep going back to 'black people" like wtf is this discount American eugenics take. Bro the religion is middle eastern, people knew what they looked like, there's thing thing called art and sculptures which help those who never seem one understand what they look like. But none of this even matters you turned into a race thing, it was a cultural shift, the 14th century did a white jesus start coming up in some obscure art and didn't really take off till the 20th century (white jesus) Just another fat L, Tel Aviv wasn't a thing back then, tf you choose that awful fucking city full of earth's worst people. call it by it's real name. Jaffa

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

it was a cultural shift, the 14th century did a white jesus start coming up in some obscure art and didn't really take off till the 20th century (white jesus)

This is fundamentally incorrect, and I can prove it - better yet, someone else already has in these comments.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Have you heard of a concept called trade mate

Yes. That's why I have never said that nobody has ever seen one. Just that it's a rare occasion.

Also you keep going back to 'black people" like wtf is this discount American eugenics take ... But none of this even matters you turned into a race thing

Because the initial post I responded to was literally "Why he white tho". I didn't start the war.

Bro the religion is middle eastern

Catholicism is not middle eastern

the 14th century did a white jesus start coming up in some obscure art and didn’t really take off till the 20th century

Factually untrue - white jesus has already been a thing in the 4th - 6th century - even tho a lot less common. However, agreed that most depictions of white jesus are from that time - which does not change my point at all. They had no way to quickly travel during the renaissance.

Tel Aviv wasn’t a thing back then

No really? Crazy. Do you think ryanair didn't exist back then either? :o

It's almost as if I tried to make funny comparison, not a factual argument.

I can already tell you’re not at all well versed in this topic

Classic lemmy.ml L take. I swear you guys are so tiring.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

Found this on Reddit a great write up on someone telling someone equally as unqualified as you on the topic in words Far cleaner than mine. Go have a read without a Hentai break if you can

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It's only in recent years that he's been consistently portrayed as a white man by Western (particularly American) Christians.

I'm sorry, but this claim of /u/best_of_badgers is just not true. They've cherry-picked individual examples without any sense of their historical context and skipped an entire millennium of western Europe. A millennium in which, if David Nirenberg is correct, Christian icongraphy was a major vehicle for working out concepts of racial difference before "race."

Medieval European (and Middle Eastern, for that matter) scholars inherited from antiquity the idea that climate affects the development of those native to the region--this will play an important role in the evolution of scientific racism into the early 20th century. The closer to the equator, the hotter the temperature--the angier, earthier, and darker-skinned people got. Centuries before "black" and "white" accrued their modern American meanings, medieval Latin writers were describing and illuminators were painting white and black people. There are a few cases, like the famous Spanish manuscript known as the Book of Games, where the depictions seem to mirror the diversity of the painters' experience to some extent: the illuminations feature dark-skinned and light-skinned Saracen men, and light-skinned Christian and Saracen women alike (the Christian men are all light-skinned). But especially when depicting situations of Christians vs. Saracens, as in illustrations to the Song of Roland, the Saracens are uniformly dark-skinned and the Christians light-skinned. The association of Christians as white and Muslims as black persists in literary descriptions. In medieval romance, characters with one Christian and one Saracen parent are even described as black and white spotted. Or when a Saracen character converts to Christianity, their skin color physically changes from black to white.

So European artists were well aware that native residents of more southern lands tended to have darker skin. And yet western European medieval Jesus is white. It's 14th century mystic Birgitta of Sweden who gives us, through her visions, the tradition of Mary as not just white but blonde. Her Jesus, too, shines with white light.

I want to highlight a second iconographical development over the later Middle Ages. Iconography is all about the use of visual shorthand to convey meaning. In earlier art, into the high Middle Ages, depictions of Jews are recognizable above all by their hats, sometimes also by their clothing. But over the later M.A., Jews start to take on what we now see as "stereotypically" Jewish features (stereotypically thanks to Christian-incubated iconography), primarily darker features and a hooked nose.

Medieval Christians knew Jesus was Jewish. Some theologians and pastors occasionally made a big deal out of it (typically in an anti-Jewish context). Do medieval illuminations and woodcuts of Jesus and Mary give them the stereotypical hooked nose?

No, they bestow that feature on demons and the devil.

Depictions of Jesus are iconographical: they represent concrete theological and often political claims. In western medieval art, the depiction of Jesus as "like us" reigned supreme and served to demarcate, isolate, and condemn everyone else. "

So bud when you showing me that 6th century white jesus?

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

Black isn't a race, could you not figure that out?

Catholicism comes from Christianity comes from an event in middle east and is a successor to Judaism which again is from the middle east, could you not figure that out?

Show me 6th century white jesus? This should be interesting I already checked 😂

Why is it always the losers who cry about weird things like instance, make the biggest stink always the least educated people. The fuck you get your knowledge from? Intensive anime watching?

[–] VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com 67 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Gays, immigrants, and marginalised people together strong 💪

[–] Aufschieber@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And please acknowledge the fact they called it Gulf of Mexico instead of Gulf of "America"!

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Twas the cherry on top.

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