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European leaders tell Putin to agree to unconditional ceasefire by Monday or face ‘massive’ sanctions
(www.theguardian.com)
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Amazing photo, collective desperation and cluelessness on the level of "Downfall" but for real.
Starmer is fascinated by the pen.
I love that painting on the wall behind them. It's so damn pretty and well done! Anyone here know anything about it, by any chance?
What rubbish ?😂😂😂
The EU is dictating terms now ???
Haven't Western nations already been applying significant sanctions to Russia? It's pretty clear that hasn't been working, why do they imagine that more of the same will work any better? Oh right, they don't, they just want to look like they're doing something useful.
It’s pretty clear that hasn’t been working
It's pretty clear you never looked into it. The Russian economy is massively strained, they got huge problems due to those sanctions.
No doubt, but as a mechanism of applying pressure to get them to stop invading Ukraine, I think you'll have to agree that it's failed miserably. That's what I (and most people) mean by 'working': accomplishing the intended aim. Huge problems or not, the war continues unabated. Why do you imagine doing more of the same would be any more effective?
That's just the normal state of Russian economy
Secondary sanctions could cripple Russia. If Europe and the US say trading with Russia means you cant trade with them then China walks away. No two ways about it, China needs markets to sell their stuff, it would be tense and countries would skirt around them but individual companies can no longer operate flights to the UAE because the governments trade with Russia? They dont do enough trade to make that worthwhile, Russia isnt a big enough market for any country who has any passing trade with the EU or US.
Why? Primary sanctions didn't. The US and Europe effectively crashed out of Russia's economy for the most part; they lost access to Western banking, Western businesses abandoned Russia in droves, and the oil and gas sales to Europe that Russia is heavily dependent upon have been significantly reduced. Yet they seem to be doing fine, so what's left?
Also, why on earth would China walk away from trade with Russia? It's pretty clear the US-led world order of trade is falling apart and China hasn't been the one begging for trade deals over here, they seem fine to just write us off and go on about their business elsewhere in the world, I doubt they would have any compunction about doing the same to Europe if it came to that (which I doubt it will.)
The total amount of Chinese trade with Russia is less than the deficit Europe has with China. Secondary sanctions would mean they lose access to the EU which is about 4 times the population size of Russia, and same again for the US. China is pragmatic, and they don't want that difficulty in favour of propping up a failing regime.
Yeah the Trump regime is stupid and cant handle international relations. Why would China engage.
The amount of trade is not the only thing that matters. Russia exports food, fertiliser and oil. Trade with Europe / US is mostly in luxuries. If forced to choose between them, China will likely choose the first.
(More likely they won't be forced to choose because they control multiple key supply chains, and can sink the economy of any country except maybe the USA.)
It's even more stark for my country. No trade with the west means we lose a lot of export revenue, and our growth slows. No trade with Russia means famine and fuel shortages. It's not even a choice.
The purpose is pressure. These countries dont want to have to deal with scarcity in terms of food, trade, investment or energy. These countries would put pressure to end the war, while other countries would attempt to take Russia's share of the trade
China will call their bluff because the EU and America are heavily reliant on China.
Especially Europe where the population will directly elect another politician whenever they feel slightly economically inconvenienced by the current one.
Im sorry the Europeans are the ractionary electorate?
The Americans will have to wait another 3 years.
For president, the house is every two and Senate has a third up for reelection every two years.
Its a shithole country with fantasies of monarchy, lets not pretend they are showing stability because Europe has different dates for elections.
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Europe have already sanctioned Russia multiple times over, what makes them think the threat of sanctions is going to make Putin care this time?
The oil price.
There is a Russian counter ultimatum, that Trump has enthusiastically embraced as glorious peace breakthrough: Ukraine must go back to resume Istanbul peace talks this week.
After three glorious years of sanctions that totally crippled... oh wait, achieved nothing. This new batch will definitely work!
"After ~~three~~ glorious..."
8 years + 3 years*
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except that western liberals are the villains
right, but you get the idea
for sure, these people really do think they live in a fantasy show
should have been at 'massive' sanctions a couple years ago.
Europe said it did. But these sanctions are super duper massive, I guess.
Double secret probation!
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"Time is a flat circle" etc.
What's left to even sanction Russia with at this point? You can't threaten someone with something you already did 4 years ago.
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"Stop or I'll shoot!" I say, pointing the gun at my own foot.
Surrender now Putin or we'll stop trading with you at massive expense to our own economy! We'll do it we swear 
Russia already had proposed a ceasefire for victory day but rejected any other since it would allow Ukraine to regroup. They're winning, they already rejected this, this is just posturing for the home audience.
It would be nice if they sanctioned them by using their militaries to stop the invasion and push them out.
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