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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

"For example, the study finds the wealthiest 10% of people – defined as those who earn at least €42,980 (£36,605) per year – contributed seven times more to the rise in monthly heat extremes around the world than the global average. "

How is 42k euro part of the wealthiest 10%?

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

How is 42k euro part of the wealthiest 10%?

Because there are ~8 billion people and fewer than 1 billion live in developed economies; half of which probably make less than 42k EUR. Out of the developing world, the 1% owns like 90% of domestic wealth, with the next 5-20% living something resembling a "developed" or "middle class" lifestyle, and most of them are also earning far less than 42k EUR...

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't forget that really only a small part of the global population lives in the west / "wealthy" countries. Our presumably western perspective is just biased even if we don't like to think so. And then, of those few, a bunch are so much more rich than the others that they skew the average. And half of the people living in those wealthy countries have considerably less than that skewed average.

If you think about it, it helps understanding how absolutely dirt poor literal billions of people really are on the global scale. Even the poors in rich countries don't have it much better.

[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 17 hours ago

Exactly, im south american, and in the 3% of earners here (brute), but still not part of that 10%...

[–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 day ago

This doesn't seem to account for cost of living

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Cars, heating and meat consumption will do that. Yeah the top .1% taking there private jets around is doing a lot more damage then your average middle class westerner but that person driving there car and eating beef everyday are doing a lot more damage then your average person living in east and south asia.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every day we find out how much better the world could be if we'd already killed the rich.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not sure you fully appreciate how suicidal that sentiment is.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Allowing the rich to control the world has proved pretty suicidal.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Anyone who makes more than about $40,000 a year is in that top 10% globally

[–] solo@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you have a decent link to corroborate that?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s in the linked article. Someone quoted it in this thread.

[–] solo@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know that in the article they mentions €42,980 and I appreciate carbon brief. Still, I tried to find in the study itself how they calculated it, but somehow I didn't manage to. This is why I asked for another link.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://wid.world/ has all the data you’re looking for

[–] solo@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

Thank you very much but it looks like they don't have what I am looking for. I followed several path in More Indicators and Other Indicators but everything that comes out is by country and/or percentages and at my most hopeful moment I got:

This indicator has no data for this selection. Please select another one.

Anyways, thanks again!

[–] Gamechanger@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am all for wealth redistribution, but if you redistribute wealth the result would probably be even more CO2 emissions. (At least then, fewer people had to suffer)

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 22 hours ago

Yeah. Just redistributing isn't enough. We need a change in culture and better education as well. Luckily the culture is already changing despite everything, the old hags currently throwing a tantrum (establishing fascism in the process) just have to finally rot in hell.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

Badically. Like, yeah, a few private jets flying around is bad. But can you imagine what twice the people flying around on holidays would mean?