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    Who needs stable, feature-rich desktops anyway (discuss.tchncs.de)
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    Context: https://pointieststick.com/2025/05/01/notes-from-the-graz-plasma-sprint/

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    [–] Mio@feddit.nu 1 points 17 minutes ago

    Both KDE and GNOME are good when you compare it to anything Windows have today.

    I personally prefer KDE because of much customization support. I have it working with many keyboard shortcuts. I would miss the settings panel in hyperland.

    GNOME is simple and elegant. Showing only what is needed. I can really understand people liking it. I like but just miss some small details like the keyboard shortcuts thing and focusing etc. How GNOME works is different mindset which O just have not learned. But GNOME looks good and have everything covered.

    Xfc and lxd just need some more love from the developers. There are very few of them so I completely understand. Money issue.

    [–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

    xfce rules

    [–] Littux@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

    I went from GNOME on Ubuntu, to KDE on Manjaro, to XFCE on Manjaro, and finally i3 on Arch.

    GNOME was sluggish and not customisable.
    KDE had graphical glitches everywhere that made navigating interfaces annoying sometimes

    On XFCE, I actually didn't find that many issues. I just stopped using Manjaro and switched to i3 when doing so.

    [–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

    i also tried i3 at some point, it was pretty cool, but i prefer more "standard"/"no tweaking" approach, so xfce wins on that one. i did install KDE ob my second (framework) laptop, but i kinda hate it lol. Never tried "Gnome"

    [–] Zanshi@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

    Eh, Gnome is fine. I like KDE, but I'd rather use my PC for the stuff I want to use it for rather than obsessively change some stuff so it looks better only to change it the next time I boot it again.

    [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

    I also rsther use my pc for the stuff I want to use it for, with Plasma you dont need to theme and rice it for the sake of it, you can just use it as is, which is what i do, and i find Plasma to be more usable out of the box than Gnome I hate when people think you must theme Plasma and customize it, you can use it as is

    [–] Zanshi@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

    You can, but for me there's just too much to fiddle, and I can't help tinkering with stuff.

    [–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 10 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    as someone who's done gtk and qt development, what the fuck are you talking about?

    [–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

    That these DEs are a bloat in modern Linux computers?

    GTK is fine by me. Qt on the other hand, is BIG. And now with Qt6 out, and some older apps aren't migrated to it yet, I have both Qt5 AND Qt6 installed on my computer. It's a shitshow.

    [–] slappypantsgo@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

    Oh that’s awesome! Did you use gObject I think it’s called? I’ve always been fascinated with the idea of object oriented C programming, but I’m not a developer and I never really got into it.

    [–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago

    gObject

    yah, tbh i kinda hated it at first but that was before I had to work on a cpp project.

    [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

    Nah both Gnome and KDE are incredible and I say that as someone whos been using Linux since early 00s

    [–] farcaster@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

    KDE has almost perfect fractional scaling, that was the real chadfeature for me.

    [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 16 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    It’s wild what an impact organizational politics can have on a codebase

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    [–] dk841143@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 20 hours ago

    Not wild to me. Code is written by people, people who engage in organizational politics. No "base" created by people, digital or otherwise, will be free of such influences.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Use whatever floats your boat

    I use Gnome because it works for me

    [–] not3ottersinacoat@lemmy.ca 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    I use Cinnamon but Gnome would be my second choice. I want to like Plasma, but every time I've used it there's some glaring bug. Last I checked (few months back) font scaling caused fonts to look like absolute garbage. I found the bug online, tried all the "fixes", no bueno.

    I'm not going without scaling on a 14" 1080p screen.

    Cinnamon and Gnome on the other hand: accessibility > large text. Easy. (Higher scaling factors can be found in font settings if needed).

    [–] MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 hours ago

    I think it only works if you're either an absolute KDE config file genius hacker or your distro's repository has actually good default configs and setup. Installing KDE on arch always works well for me but every time I've tried it on Ubuntu I just get an unusable mess. One time I had it such that I had to retype my password all the fucking time to "unlock the keychain" and then the stupid update window would ALWAYS show up during the worst possible time with impeccable timing.

    [–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

    Same. I really wanted to like Plasma, it's really nice looking. But it just never works right for me. Most recently, my PC would crash every time I woke it from sleep. And my cursor wouldn't stay locked to one screen in-game. No issues at all with Cinnamon. Everything just worked out of the box. And there are plenty of themes and icons to dress it up a bit. I used Gnome 2 back in high school, so if I didn't use Cinnamon I think I'd probably go with MATE since it's a familiar feel.

    [–] koncertejo@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    No love for GNOME these days smh

    [–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago

    I mean can you really blame people? The developers have kind of gone out of their way to try and piss off literally everyone. And any attempt at criticism is called bullying and shut down

    [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

    GNOME has been going downhill since version 3. I used to be a diehard GNOME fan, but nowadays KDE is simply better in so many ways.

    [–] Scrollone@feddit.it 1 points 10 hours ago

    Agree. I used to love GNOME, but after GNOME 3.0 everything went to the shitter.

    I simply migrated to KDE and I just like it.

    [–] termaxima@programming.dev 26 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    I agree with the general sentiment, though KDE’s apps do have some real performance issues.

    Dolphin sometimes takes 2-5 seconds to open on my gaming PC, whereas Nautilus (Gnome Files) is usually done before I’ve even let go of the click.

    Maybe that’s just preloading, but it makes a bloody enormous difference in everyday usage.

    I prefer Plasma overall, though.

    [–] yistdaj@pawb.social 1 points 12 hours ago

    Do you have a lot of files it might try to preview? I remember encountering similar loading times in my photos folder because it ties to load previews for every file.

    [–] Salix@sh.itjust.works 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

    Dolphin sometimes takes 2-5 seconds to open on my gaming PC, whereas Nautilus (Gnome Files) is usually done before I’ve even let go of the click.

    You might need to look into this more.

    It opens instantly on my gaming desktop, Microsoft Surface 7 Pro, and ASUS ROG Strix

    [–] termaxima@programming.dev 2 points 14 hours ago

    I just checked, it boots in .5 seconds on my Steam Deck. So yeah, there’s a problem somewhere 😅

    [–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

    Hmm, Dolphin takes about 0.5 seconds on my laptop. Might be that worth debugging on your system, even if it is some bug that your specific system triggers.

    [–] dukatos@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

    It is easy to go fast if you have no features.

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    [–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 46 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    [–] glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    somone needs to replace gnome with windows 11 in that meme lmao.

    Edit: it has been done: edit: it has been done

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    [–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    I've tried KDE on both Debian and Fedora. Neither have allowed me to do what I want to do: add a secondary storage device to my steam library. Whenever I try to, it just pops up a separate Dolphin window that doesn't affect steam once a folder is selected (almost like it's a separate process and not a child process of Steam).

    The flatpak works, but 1. Ew; 2. It runs steam on Xwayland; 3. Being a debian nerd, I want to be as much of a purist as possible to make life easier down the road

    I'll switch once this is fixed, but I just gotta stick with Gnome until it is

    [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

    add a secondary storage device to my steam library.

    You mean have more than one steam library? That's a steam setting. Nothing to do with KDE. Gnome, Debian or Fedora.

    The flatpak works,

    Oh. There's your issue. Don't run steam as a flatpak, there might be sandboxing issues.

    EDIT: MF did you read the page you downloaded stuff from:

    Note: To add a game library on another drive, first you need to grant the app access to it:

    flatpak override --user --filesystem=/path/to/your/Steam/Library com.valvesoftware.Steam

    [–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

    I have like five libraries, I went ahead and just tried to add another one to see if it was a regression and unfortunately I can't reproduce. Then again I've always been a KDE Arch user I don't know if that has anything to do with it maybe I just missed this bug

    [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 hours ago

    I have the issue with debian also witj KDE, but I havent tried with Gnome, i did some searching and it seems to be a common issue among debian based distros

    [–] dkc@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (10 children)

    I’ve found GNOME a pleasure to use. From my experience many folks that use Linux like to tinker with their computers. Even those new to Linux see a world of possibilities. GNOME doesn’t really embrace this tinkerer philosophy. They have an opinion on what at desktop manager should be and they’re constantly working towards that vision.

    When I introduce GNOME to new people I explain to them some the project goals, design elements and how it’s intended to be used. Then I tell them that GNOME is opinionated on how things should behave and look, and if you try to force GNOME to be something it’s not you’ll probably end up using poorly documented or unsupported third-party extensions that break things. Generally the advice is, GNOME is great, but not for everyone, take the time to learn the GNOME way of doing things and if you don’t like it you're better off switching to another desktop environment than trying to change GNOME.

    [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

    If it's not for everyone it should not be the default for many distributions, and other DEs should be recommended for beginners then.
    I think the design philosophy of "you have to adapt to the software" is harmful. Software should adapt to you and disappear out of your way for common tasks. Something Gnome leadership fails to understand.

    [–] dkc@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

    I’ve been teaching Linux to a lot of high-school age kids this year. I picked Fedora Workstation for us to experiment with. It of course, uses GNOME. Like I mentioned in the above post I talked to them for 5-10 minutes about GNOME design and how it’s supposed to be used. One thing that surprised me is how much the younger generation found GNOME intuitive as soon as they learned to use the Super key. Many have spent more time on iOS than they have Windows. So some of the common pain points for us older folks, like not having a task bar, preferring each “App” to be full a screen and switching between them felt very natural for the kids. Very iOS like.

    You can of course have your different opinion on if this is good or bad or if GNOME shouldn’t be the default on most distro.

    Perhaps GNOME is a good default for distro because it’s similar to the interfaces young people are growing up with.

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