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Trump had to reverse his aggressive tariff rhetoric after CEOs from Walmart, Target, and Home Depot warned of empty shelves and higher prices due to supply chain disruptions.

Investors reacted negatively to his threats against Fed Chair Jerome Powell, prompting a market sell-off.

Trump backtracked, expressing optimism on a China trade deal and now denying plans to fire Powell.

Global markets remain volatile, and the IMF cited Trump’s trade war as a “major negative shock” to global growth.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 56 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

China shouldn't give a femtometer.

Restrict exports to the US until all tarrifs on Chinese goods are lifted. And even then, tarrif US exports just a bit just as a Find Out gesture.

Make it clear that Trump gains absolutely nothing for all this. Not even a little 1% he can claim as a minor victory. Humiliate him in the eyes of the world and expose him for the worthless negotiator he is.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

As a struggling American, I hope so too. The fucking rural parts of the country need to feel the suffering and understand exactly what caused it.

[–] malkien@lemmings.world 19 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

But how can they understand? Fox News will never correlate their suffering with Trump

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Someone showed a display of incoming containers, and May was down almost 50% from last year in May. That's going to be devastating. Good to see.

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[–] Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 92 points 1 day ago (4 children)

now denying plans to fire Powell

As an outside observer, one of the funniest things about Trump (and this whole crowd actually) is the amount of just denying things that they do. There is never a single time that they admit fault or the capability to learn and improve. Drunkard clowns like Hesgeth have to be dragged out kicking and screaming for something to be rectified, at which point they'll just go "Uh, well anyway, here's the next guy, he's going to be great! Tremendously bigly!"

Elon didn't do that famous hand gesture that we all saw him do twice in a row. Fox News guy didn't use a 3rd party app for a top secret war chat and didn't include a journalist in the group. Trump didn't apply those tariffs or throw unhinged temper tantrums on social media. It's all just the fake news librul agenda trying to discredit these fine upstanding members of society as usual. And if it's true - onto the next thing. How about that woke agenda amirite?

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It gets thrown around a lot but Orwell's 1984 has a passage, the context in the book is the protanonist realizing specifically about how it is impossible to argue against the fascist party as they happily substitute alternate facts whenever desired, and mandate the loyal adopt them wholesale.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

This is the chapter. https://george-orwell.org/1984/6.html

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 18 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

I actually hate this quote because idiots around me use this thought pattern to reject the results of rigorous scientific studies in favor of their isolated, personal experiences.

To them, "Science" is an much an authoritarian imposition as "The Party" and "Scientism" is the worst "cult".

Yes, your experience is valid. But, it doesn't trump shared objective reality, which good science reveals.

[–] pwloftus@pwl.farted.net 4 points 12 hours ago

@bss03 @pulsewidth If you are not willing to learn or to be curious about reality then the truths discovered by science would be no different to you than any other form of mysticism. It's then possible to apply that quote to anything that doesn't align with your experience.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

My favorite phenomonon is anti-vaxers and the like saying "Science is hogwash! Ever notice how they just say 'Trust the science!'? That means it requires faith!" Sure, that's all well and good, except an actual scientist will NEVER say "Trust the science!" The foundations of science are NOT built on blind trust. It's built on truth which is established experimentally, which is the opposite of blind trust. It's very telling that people saying science is flawed are the same folks that don't understand it.

It's largely the same thing as someone saying "Evolution is hogwash. I've never seen a monkey turn into a human!" (except evolution doesn't say that it will either...)

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

This is a direct result of the degradation of education. Countries that have a higher standard of living for ALL people: health (mental and physical), fair wages, maternity/paternity leave, etc., also have better education standards. In some cases, free university.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

yea most fields dont even require bio as part of thier degree, not even remdial, felt that should be part of the curricilum colleges.

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[–] flynnguy@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I read 1984... I really liked it but I thought the whole war is peace, freedom is slavery bit was something that no one would really buy. Then Trump took office and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I now believe 1984 and don't question it at all. :(

[–] GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today 2 points 9 hours ago

I almost wish 1984 was the reality, but it's a horrible mix of 1984 and Brave New World. Rather than just being oppressed due to fear of your comrades turning you in, like 1984, we also get people happily ignoring everything bad to get their fix of the fixed slice of the world presented to them.

If it was just 1984, at least I'd have hope that enough people could see the problem, rise up against the problem, and not have to contend with the contented masses that just want the status quo.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

1984 was required reading when I was in high school in Canada.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

same here in us, plus catcher in the rye. and classical literature as well. they made an attempt to force people write papers for the first time, but it was so haphazard it dint turn it good.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

"Catcher in the Rye” is an amazing book!

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As an inside observer, I assure you that there is nothing funny about it whatsoever.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As an adjacent observer(Canada, and we have our own idiots) it’s kinda funny. The US has had so much time and so many resources to not being the shithole it is today and they just couldn’t bring themselves, as a country, to get there. Other countries have done way better with less so we know it’s possible.

So, as much as it is also scary, awful, and just plain garbage, it is a little funny as well.

[–] SparroHawc@lemm.ee 4 points 23 hours ago

Well, as it turns out, America's status as an economic juggernaut has always been dependent on keeping our occupied territory as shitholes that are terrible for the people who live there, so we can exploit their labor and resources. We learned well from the British Empire. The shitholeness is just being turned against a larger swath of our population now.

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[–] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Roy Cohn: Never admit you are wrong. Never admit defeat.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago

“Never admit you are wrong”. This has become pervasive in everyday life. The phrases: “I was wrong”, “I stand corrected”, “point taken”, “mea culpa” are rarely heard anymore. So many dig in with nothing to back their argument, use the “fake news” BS, and/or just really become angry. What happened to reasonable discourse? Well, I guess it went out the window with science. It went out the window with critical thinking. It went out the window when representatives of our countries seem to get away with telling outright lies with no consequences. When social media is allowed to spread outright lies with no consequences. What a fucking shit show.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Until Trump and Yarvin are hanging by their ankles, I won't believe that the United States will get better.

[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Mussolini got beat to death after his lil foray into fascism.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago

Why wait so long?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fascism only seems to end with the death of their figurehead.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 139 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Nothing says "I am the master of making a deal" like having to back off of nearly all of them every time anyone calls your bluff.

I'll never see how so many think Trump is one of the smartest people in any room.

He's a slumlord, just like his father. It is just unfortunate that the entire country will be his shitty government housing block by the time he gets done with it.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 3 points 21 hours ago

People have been calling him the biggest blowhard in the world since he got his first start in the 1970s. Enough people believe him for him to be relevant, sadly.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Trump just allowed Republicans to be racist and bigoted out in the open without censure. They saw how trump doesn't get much flak for his bigotry

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 60 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'll never see how so many think Trump is one of the smartest people in any room.

"He's rich so he must be smart. You have to be smart to get that rich. This must all be part of the plan for the smart rich guy."

Mix that in with a 'Just World Fallacy' (Good people succeeded and bad People fail. Therefore anyone who has as much wealth and power as Trump must be a good person worth listening to) and you have the people who support Trump.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Worthington's Law.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Yup. That’s my dad. He’s confused now. He thought musk and Trump were smart because they were very wealthy. He’s finding it hard to understand that these people just inherited their wealth, and they’re able to be visible in the public eye, make money and take risks because of how much they have and not because they’re smart. Their arrogance is funny - Ie: musk unable to find the relationship between his nazi salute, his work at DOGE, and decreasing revenue in Tesla. Never heard of causation.

[–] Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You could've just said trump supporters to dumb af

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[–] bluegreenwookie 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly i saw so many interviews during his first run with trump supporters that said exactly that first phase you said

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Way to entrench the status quo benefiting the rich. Get people to believe only the rich are smart and therefore worth listening to.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

but he isnt reversing any tariffs? he must be really obsessed with them.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

He bas been, which is the wild part. He’s not saying “oh this was a bad idea, whoops” but he is adding all kinds of exceptions all the time as major corporations tell him how awful they are. Terrified of being seen as weak, so many tariffs will remain but it is really funny watching them scramble to pretend like they aren’t the absolute worst at their jobs.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Another method of control: exceptions to whoever has the biggest bribes, personal favors and enrichment. Tariffs for everyone else

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

It's a simplistic solution and he's simpleminded, so it's hard for him to let go of it since all the other approaches are harder.

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 291 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

That's what fascists do when you stand up to them.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The shart of the steal

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