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[–] komischerKauz@europe.pub 135 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Good to know! I wanted to plan a war but looks like I need to use a diffrent app 😔

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 42 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Have you tried iWar by Apple? I find the mind-mapping tool really helpful for collaborating where to strike next.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Dude. We're on Lemmy. Don't be advertising some closed source app.

Missl is the best federated, defense first, FOSS war planning app available. You can self host using docker or use one of the many public instances.

[–] Fetus@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

Missl hasn't been maintained in a while, though. I'd recommend the fork DAVECON1. Dave is pretty active still, listens to the community. He recently removed the little prompt box that popped up when you were planning to commit war crimes and genocide, which has improved my workflow and plausible deniability!

[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

The jerk has reached critical mass

[–] WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sorry, that feature is only available in the iWar+ subscription, which is $9.99/mo

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Also, if you want to have more than one war at a time you'll need to purchase add on slots for $4.99ea.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

You can even try out their new AI feature. After 3 strikes, it learns who you like to strike the most and will give suggestions containing the most packed areas with as many children as possible. It also has in-app quests to complete such as wiping out a whole family in 1 strike.

It rewards you with points you can spend in the store to buy skins and other cosmetics for your missiles.

If you signup with your nintendo friend code, you can unlock the banzai bill skin.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

WarThunder forums has the highest experts apparently

[–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

Nah, too much moderation, go with one of the many more niche *chans, or even just one of the 8chan clones.

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 15 points 2 weeks ago

I usually use Genocide Palestine. It's actively developed and supported on all major platforms, in pretty much all countries.

[–] oppy1984@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Battle plans you use Signal, war plans your going to want Threema, Session, or SimpleX.

[–] SavageCoconut@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

TLDR: some government/military official added a reporter to a Signal group were some high profile people were discussing and sharing war plans. The app's encryption is perfectly fine. It's just clickbait.

[–] Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Its not click bait, its a great layman's terms explanation of the app and what it does. This is the kind of article I would send to my parents who are basically tech illiterate when this topic inevitably arises. It also clarifies points that were poorly reported by other outlets, which is necessary to call out, especially in our current informational climate.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They weren’t war plans. They were attack plans. /s 🤦‍♂️

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

genocide assisting murder plans

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

What about it is clickbait? That title is really upfront about signal's encryption being fine.

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

True. For war plans use Tinder, or maybe Pinterest.

[–] Batman@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What's wrong with the traditional war thunder comms?

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Oh man, you got me there.

[–] WereCat@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

You surely meant Warthunder forums

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Fundamentally the biggest security vulnerability in every peice of software is the end user. It does not matter how intelligently the software is designed, no amount of preparation can handle the users. That is not to say Signal has no security vulnerabilities but almost nothing can stop someone from inviting a random reporter (if they explicitly invited them). Furthermore I have a conspiracy theory of sorts, I dont think it was a mistake. I think Trumps own administration is trying to backstab him. Maybe they had ideas of becoming more powerful, maybe they thought Trump would reduce their power, but I feel that the amount of government leaks and just how complicated they are would suggest infighting.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah- that is a bit odd. Who and if not intentional, how?

[–] JiminaMann@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What security vulnerabilities does signal have?

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The main issue I know about is in how messages are stored (the top CVE in that list). If a phone is compromised, all chat history could be exfiltrated. That's incredibly unlikely for a regular citizen, but it's a lot more likely for an important position like the head of the Department of Defense or something.

NOTE: the vendor disputes the relevance of this finding because the product is not intended to protect against adversaries with this degree of local access.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Im not a security researcher tbh and I havent extensively studied the security model of Signal (I use Matrix)

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Same. I'm just generally pretty cyber-security curious, and have read a bit on this topic.

I think Signal and Matrix are absolutely fantastic. I use Signal as an SMS replacement and Matrix for group chats, and I whole-heartedly recommend both.

BTW, thanks for providing the CVEs, I hope that answers a few peoples' questions about it. One thing to note is that a high number of CVEs is indicative of a lot of academic interest, which is a good indicator that a project is interesting to the security community. So seeing a lot of CVEs is a good thing, assuming the more critical ones get close quickly (and Signal does a good job keeping up with updates).

Thats why the Linux kernel has a massive amount of CVEs, its extensively audited and researched.

[–] JiminaMann@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Hmm, last cve was in 2023...

[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 weeks ago

Very informative article. By most measures, it is pretty terrific at encrypting messages and protecting your privacy, just not when it's wielded by idiots.

[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I understand how the public key encryption works when you are messaging person to person. Does anyone know how it works with group chats?

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Each participant is sent a separate copy of each message encrypted with their own key.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is one way that signal differs from WhatsApp e2e in groups. In WhatsApp the server replicates the message out to all clients. It can't read the message but it knows the recipient list. In Signal your phone sends the message several times, so only members of the group know who is in the group.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 points 2 weeks ago

The encryption still works roughly the same, the difference is mostly visible metadata.

Multiple bundles of encrypted message + decryption key & recipient tag for 1 person, or one bundle of the encrypted message and then keys for multiple people & recipients which the server can separate out when relaying the message

(message keys are encrypted to each recipient's keypair*)

*simplified because I can't be bothered to explain how deniability is implemented. Just look up the Signal protocol's ratchet

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ok, let's pick the correct App for planning the rebellion.

[–] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Truth Social. That way, nobody will ever see the plans

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And if anyone magically finds them, they'll dismiss it as a crazy conspiracy

[–] Atmoro@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Bluesky, Lemmy, Revolt, Ghost, Spark, & Flashes apps. Diaspora, Zen Browser, & Raindrop too

Those each cover a different aspect that will empower everyone. We need a US Community on Revolt too not just Lemmy

[–] Patch@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We need a US Community on Revolt too not just Lemmy

Never heard of it before.

What's the elevator pitch?

[–] Atmoro@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Alright here

  • Reddit➡️Lemmy
  • Twitter➡️Bluesky
  • Discord➡️Revolt

https://revolt.chat/

Its an even better thing than Discord.

(They have an alternativeto.net entry that explains a lot more about them too. Also, AlternativeTo is a great resource to find more open-source (But you have to check online if it's community-made or corporation owned) platforms/apps/websites/etc to switch to. Recommend using that too)

Positives:

  • Values Privacy, Community, Collaboration, Discussions, & Freedom
  • Open-Source
  • Community-Made
  • Allow you to have different profile pics per community you are in
  • Can use bots without needing Premium
  • There's more once you use it to experience it and read their site

I say we make a U.S. Server on there to inform each other, inspire each other, take action, collaborate, & coordinate

That would be a great way for all of us to really get things going in real life & online. Also, to have different sections of the server dedicated to various issues:

  • This whole mess with GOP fighting back on every level
  • Making Protests Fun, & Effective. Connecting Social Events to Them, & having Goals for Each Protest (Get to know others to work with, building out better infrastructure, gettings things done, etc)
  • Homelessness
  • Walkable/social/fun/bikeable/transit infrastructure for cities and towns
  • Building and Maintaining Community
  • Collaboration with Allies
  • Etc Etc

I would do it but don't know how to run a community, & server

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