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Incredible to think about that we got it right the first time (with email) and still had to spend the last 20 years complaining about centralized social networks.

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[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 76 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That is why it's important to also use other software than Lemmy like Mbin or Piefed. Users want choice and the Fediverse is only as decentralized as the software running on it. So please, think about this.

[–] notanapple@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I dont think its the software* but the instance that matters. Everyone being on lw is not good (not that there is anything wrong with lw, just that centralization is bad). Thankfully most lemmy apps nowadays default to lemm.ee which should hopefully counter most of the centralization. Lemmy apps should rotate the default server when it gets too big which will help a lot (also shows the impact defaults have).

*Software would have mattered if the main devs instance was also the biggest. Or a very popular lemmy client defaulted to their own instance. With lemmy thats not the case.

[–] sabzian@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

Great point. If defaults didn’t matter Google wouldn’t have spent billions of dollars buying the default search position on other browsers.

[–] humiddragonslayer@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I think a surefire way to help with this would be to have a rule that any instance that becomes the largest one on Lemmy should lock itself instantly. That way, we'll only surpass the current max number of users on a single instance until it's completely spread out

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[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Also, have a look at https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active and count the number of non-LW communities in the top 20

Ironically, !fediverse@lemmy.zip could also be an alternative to this community.

@coffeeadmin@lemmy.coffee , have you considered crossposting there?

[–] notanapple@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think piefeds combined view makes this less of an issue. Like people subscribe to/post in the big communities because they are more active so get more comments and stuff. But in piefed you get the combined discussion from all the communities so you get the same experience even if you are subscribed to a less popular community on that topic.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Feeds are awesome 😎

Ex: https://piefed.social/f/fediversevideos

Allows you to sub to many fediverse account/communities/etc...

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 week ago (9 children)

This is a terrible distribution and the semi-centralisation and gatekeeping by the established actors is one of the reason email is dying.

I think we can do much better than that 👍

[–] grue@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Email has been "dying" for 20+ years. I'll believe it when I see it.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 24 points 1 week ago (6 children)

yeah its hard for an essential service to die. I will spout one of my super downvoted opinions but I think every government should be providing email service the same way they provide physical mail service. With all the rights currently given to physical mail. Im not saying as the only option and im being idealistic in thinking we can do like what we did with physical mail in this modern time. But I don't care. Its essential and there should be a version people have that is a right and cannot go away.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not sure why the USPS shouldn't be the sole provider of email in the US.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why in the world should it be?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No profit motive and no private interests.

I'm sure there could still be private carriers, just like there's still private delivery services like UPS and FedEx, but I don't see why the average person should be relying on a private company for essential infrastructure.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You really trust the US government to control your communications? Especially given the last 20 years?

There exist plenty of free email platforms right now. I'm not against the government providing one, but unlike physical packages, sending an email to Bumfuck, Missouri doesn't cost any more than sending it across town.

There's the cost of the ISP, and for that I think there should be a municipal option for sure, to provide service to unprofitable regions just like postal mail and rural electrification.

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[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I think every government should be providing email service the same way they provide physical mail service. With all the rights currently given to physical mail.

We've tried that in Germany. The De-Mail was already dead when it was born.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

I mean it should not be. It should be run if no one is using it but government communication should always be through it so you know its legit. I'd be fine if it was not popular. I mean if everyone sent everything through ups and fedex I would still want usps to be a thing here.

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[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It'll probably follow Zipf's law, like most things.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Okay, based on that article Zipf's law seems to mostly apply to languages. Cities, for example, don't follow it.

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[–] Kualdir@europe.pub 4 points 1 week ago

It really just depends on how users have to choose a service and how much it matters. With email the service used doesn't really matter so most either use what is given to them (here that's often from their ISP) or what is recomended to them (e.g. Gmail or Hotmail here in the EU)

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For fucks sake, have the 0 at the twelve o clock position and not this horrible mess. This ruins one's day.

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[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That pie chart isnt including trust.

If I see a Hotmail/yahoo email, I immediately assume spammer or nontechnical boomer who has already been scammed a few times.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Lemmy instances have similar stigmas

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