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I feel that “outgroup dumb” is shitposting but it’s from a real poll.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/5057-understanding-how-marginal-taxes-work-its-all-part

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[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

How dumb do you have to be? By the time you make that much money you should, in theory, know the answer definitively or have a guy.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Tell me you don’t know how income taxes work without telling me you don’t know how income taxes work.

My question is who does their taxes then?

[–] dan@upvote.au 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

A lot of people don't know anything about taxes and have their tax return done by an accountant, even if their situation is extremely simple (works one job, no taxable investments or capital gains, no investment properties, no foreign taxes paid).

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[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 72 points 1 day ago (19 children)

This is the problem. My partner doesn’t want to work OT because he thinks it will cost him more in taxes. I explain why that’s not exactly true, but I can tell he’s not interested. Financial Literacy in the US is abysmal.

[–] sloppychops@lemmy.ca 11 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

This is not a US specific issue, tbh. I've heard this weird belief repeated by all sorts of people.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago

it is a misinformation many people in power wants to keep because it lets republicans sell their policies to not tax the rich and bosses to not raise their employee's salaries.

[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 3 points 18 hours ago

You’re absolutely right. I cant speak for anyone else, as I don’t live there but I highly doubt the US is an exception.

Rather than being mad at each other, I want to make sure we hold the right people accountable! Governments, corporations, billionaires etc.

It’s a form of oppression.

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[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Your partner is a moron who doesn't understand relatively simple math.

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

"you can't make less money by making more money"

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Unless you're poor enough to be on welfare. The Welfare Cliff is awful.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 19 hours ago

This can also apply to student loans when one person makes a lot more than the other.

[–] sfu@lemm.ee -1 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

I've had jobs (more than one), where working OT would result in my paycheck take home pay being less than if I had not worked the extra hours. And that's because it moved me into the next bracket, and more taxes were taken out. So why waste my time working OT?

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[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oddly enough it kinda does. OT can make you pay out more taxes on that one check since withholdings are calculated by check. Basically the government/payroll system thinks you're going to be making that every week so more taxes will be taken out.

In reality this only effects the size of your tax bill or return at the end of the year.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That's what people see and exactly why they think they got kicked up a whole tax bracket.

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[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 2 points 13 hours ago

lol i wonder how much that is just guessing. they just coin flipped it

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago (12 children)

For someone outside the American tax system, can anyone put the difference in approximate numbers?

[–] quitthebiz@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago

In exact numbers, 5 cents.

[–] CluelessLemmyng@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

That one dollar in the 33% bracket has .33 in taxes instead of .28. So their obligation goes up .05 per every dollar in the 33% tax bracket.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Your local tax system probably works the same.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 66 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It boggles my mind how many people who have had to pay taxes for decades even, don't understand how tax brackets work.

The only time you'll get screwed on making more is if you were getting some sort of socialized assistance and you make a dollar over the cut off for aid.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, the Welfare Cliff is the only place where this happens and it's unconscionable.

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is kind of by design to keep people from trying to get ahead at all

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[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

And they'll also refuse to believe you when you try to explain it to them

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I used to be a supervisor at a psych hospital and had to regularly explain this to staff who were refusing overtime. They wanted to do it, sometimes desperately so because they needed the money, but they were utterly convinced that once they crossed 40 or 45k or whatever they would be taxed higher and make it all pointless. I felt like some just didn’t want to do ot, which was fine, but some legit keep meticulous records of their earnings to ensure they wouldn’t go over the line. I swore to them it didn’t work this way but they never believed me

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Seen the same bullshit when I worked retail. Nothing will convince them.

It's easier to trick someone than it is to convince them they're wrong.

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[–] OccultIconoclast@reddthat.com 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Should print out a poster infographic explaining progressive taxation and put it up on the wall in the break room

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

Yeah I am pretty sure they wouldn't understand this either

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

This infographic is kinda bad and would not convince someone who doesn't know how it works at all

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

Would have to be mandated by workplace regulations, no company is going to voluntarily educate their employees that more money has no downside.

I'll also say this doesn't help, it strangely avoids the actual numbers. It should state explicitly that his total taxes would be $1,600+$4,266+$2,827=$8692, and not $13200. Needs to include the scenarios specific results and contrasted with what the viewer would have assumed otherwise.

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (10 children)

try telling this to people who think government agencies pay taxes

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[–] Kuranashi@lemmy.world 165 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If you ever wanted proof that a population that doesn't understand math allows the billionaires to take advantage of them here it is. This is why education systems are under attack, because if you understood how taxes work you'd more likely support higher tax rates for the rich.

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