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A federal judge on Saturday barred the administration of President Donald Trump from deportations under an 18th century law that Trump invoked just hours earlier

James E. Boasberg, chief judge for the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, said he needed to issue his order immediately because the government was already flying migrants it claimed were newly deportable under Trump’s proclamation to El Salvador and Honduras to be incarcerated there

“I do not believe I can wait any longer and am required to act,” Boasberg said during a Saturday evening hearing in a lawsuit brought by the ACLU and Democracy Forward. “A brief delay in their removal does not cause the government any harm,” he added, noting they remain in government custody but ordering that any planes in the air be turned around

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[–] allo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

Forgive my ignorance. Please explain. What I remember from reading about this elsewhere yesterday:

it looks like 5 men with tattoos were mistakenly identified as gang members, and started a suit. Sounds good, if they were falsely accused they should be exempt and compensated.

Then the judge makes it a case against all deportation of all people from america; which this article barely mentions in one sentence.

So my questions are

  • whenever i hear about gang members they seem like badguys. Is sending venezuelan gang members from america to venezuela actually bad? Why?

  • is switching the case from the faulty identification of a few to a fight on behalf of all people being deported a strategically sound decision? It feels like now the case has a larger possibility of failing for the 5 misidentified nongangmembers if their case was good and they are truly nongangmembers. Wouldn't it make more sense to fight All Deportations as it's own giant case rather than evolve this one about the 5 misidentified people?

[–] ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

Every law and statue needs to come with a time limit. And if it's still useful we can renew it. So many ancient laws still out there that should have been purged long ago

[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 102 points 1 day ago (4 children)

For those wondering.

50 USC § 21

Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government

Literally the first words in the law Trump attempted to use to deport these people. Congress has not declared any war, this is literally our Government falling apart at this point. Congress will do nothing to reel this President who violates the laws on a daily basis.

We are never recovering as a Nation from this. This kind of violation of the order of law in our nation will take a century to heal if not more. The United States as it was is gone, full stop.

[–] ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

US 1.0 is over. And now over the next decade we'll determine which side gets to write up what the US 2.0 will look like

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago

We are never recovering as a Nation from this. This kind of violation of the order of law in our nation will take a century to heal if not more. The United States as it was is gone, full stop.

Well, that is the goal. I think the goal is to create a (US/global) crisis, which allows the powerful (rich) to step in to reshape the society, to fit their agenda better.

I do not think that the Trump administration is simply incompetent, I think they are having a plan, and are executing it and what we see is part of it.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Silly bint probably thinks that if he just posts "I DECLARE THIS IS A WAR" on social media then it's a declared war.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No he for sure thinks calling something a war makes it one. He thinks shit like the War on Drugs, are actual wars.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He did literally argue that documents are declassified if he thinks they are.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Things is... Documents are only classified due to a presidential order. He can (while president) declassify whatever he wants, whether it's wise to or not. The issue was that he was no longer president and made no indication that those documents were declassified.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You're correct, there is an actual procedure that you're supposed to follow... but iirc, Trump actually stated that the documents just were declassified because he had that thought in his head, while still president, so therefore that counts and its all fine, he can keep them.

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The war on Tesla hate.

[–] halfempty@fedia.io 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A formal declaration of war requires congressional approval, as outlined in Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

That document? Didn't you hear it's null and void now?

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

They've ignored that since WW2. They've ignored the "a well regulated Militia" part of the 2nd amendment also.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy

[–] affenlehrer@feddit.org 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't it officially still at war with North Korea?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 10 hours ago

The US has never officially been at war with North Korea, it was (and still is, I guess) a "police action". The last time the US officially declared war was WWII.

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 50 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Trump needs to be arrested

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

ICE needs to be disbanded too

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 3 points 5 hours ago

And no “just following orders” defence?

[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 16 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Seriously, how many crimes will he commit before something stops him? Who polices the president? Ohhhhh right, it's Congress. The courts can check his orders when someone sues, but they don't charge him with crimes. I guess it could be possible for a blue state to arrest him when he commits a heinous crime within its borders, but I won't hold my breath

[–] breen@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Or something a little more extreme...

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

I seem to recall how much the radical right thought that offering "helicopter rides" to people they deemed their enemies was the very height of comedy. They even wore t-shirts. I wonder if they think it's just as hilarious in the case of actual enemies of the state.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is the Ides of March...

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

Et tu Vance?

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

And deported.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I can't wait for him to invoke the Magna Carta next

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

After renaming it the MAGA Carta

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

"Best charter..."

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works -2 points 12 hours ago

ordering any planes in the air be turned around

They're out here, plsying games, having carseat temper tantrums with airplanes. While we all burn and choke on soot.