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[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 112 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Tolkien also created complete Languages for each race of his stories.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 82 points 8 months ago

Sometimes I think he just liked world-building, and writing stories about his world came second.

[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 77 points 8 months ago

From reading his biography, it seemed he mostly liked creating languages and then crafted stories and worlds based off them.

Tolkien's the GOAT.

[-] leftzero@lemmy.ml 33 points 8 months ago

He only wanted to create languages, for fun... but he wanted to do it properly, so he needed full cultural backgrounds for his languages, including epic poetic sagas written in said languages... and to do that properly he needed a whole history of the world said languages and cultures had developed in... so the maniac built that. And then he wrote a children's book set in that world, for his kids, as one does.

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[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 8 months ago

He was a philology teacher, so that's indeed the case. You see it with how much details the language have, like real languages dialects and evolution. It was really his craft.

[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

Philology Professor at Oxford, no less.

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 23 points 8 months ago

They are called Paracosms. He was writting languages during his teens long before he got to stories.

Middle earth is the first item on the list of examples on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracosm

[-] JoKi@feddit.de 21 points 8 months ago

Not only the languages but also an etymology for them to explain, how they developed.

[-] Sebeck012@feddit.nl 9 points 8 months ago

Wish he was better at naming characters though. Not every son needs a name that starts with the same letter as his father's.

[-] kboy101222@lemm.ee 30 points 8 months ago

What, you aren't a fan of Aenor, son of Agenor, son of Agenar, son of Agenup, son of Ageflip, son of Agintur, Slayer of B'Thal'Muun?

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[-] scytale@lemm.ee 78 points 8 months ago

Frank Herbert: Giant sandworms lol. /j

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 40 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Frank Herbert: ... and dogs that are also chairs... rips bong... chairdogs

[-] Daqu@feddit.de 25 points 8 months ago

Duncan, Duncan, Duncan, Duncan

[-] Rwaterhouse@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

lol Herbert had some weird fantasy about a guy named Duncan from Idaho. Only explanation for some of that stuff.

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[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

Frank Herbert is what happens when a genius writer takes too much shrooms while studying dunes. Like that is literally what happened.

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[-] deadh34d@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

Fuckin Herbert just decided to write philosophy disguised as a sci-fi story lol

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 60 points 8 months ago

Tolkien is clearly the best, but I don’t have a problem with Martin borrowing from real-life history. History is incredibly cool, and full of amazing stories. Stealing from other authors is bullshit, though.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 56 points 8 months ago

Then you have the author of Twilight that started world building after the first book, created a number of characters with interesting background lore, then proceeded to do nothing with any of it.

[-] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 48 points 8 months ago

It's even worse than that - Twilight was originally fanfic for Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles series, so it's all just Lestat with a fake mustache and sparkles.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

And 50 shades was a Twilight fanfic...

[-] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 15 points 8 months ago

And Interview with the Vampire was fanfic based on a cross between Blacula and the David Frost interview of Richard Nixon...

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[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 45 points 8 months ago

George Lucas: Let someone else handle it.

[-] Pistcow@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

as long as the broads are wearin' short skirts

[-] leftzero@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago

“There's no underwear in space.”

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[-] Knightfox@lemmy.one 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

To be fair the children's story came first. In that regard Tolkien and Rowling had something in common, their first books were written for a much younger and simpler audience. It wasn't until they took off commercially that the more adult and deep lore was developed.

EDIT: I'm wrong

[-] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago

What? No. First was the story of Arda in a prototype version of the Silmarillon and Unfinished Tales.

[-] Knightfox@lemmy.one 14 points 8 months ago

Huh, interesting, I didn't realize Tolkien had started writing portions of the Silmarillion in 1914. I had to do some looking based on your response and learned something.

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago

From what I know, he never really wrote "for" the silmsrillion either. He wrote stories for him to flesh out the history of the world but not with the intention of publishing such stories. Some of them were even just notes about what happened in the world and some weren't finished.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

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[-] debil@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

Upvote because somebody online admitted they were wrong.

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[-] shaman1093@lemmy.ml 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Steven Erikson: here's a world that contains millennia of anthropologically grounded cultures that got spiced up by some interdimensional elves, orcs, gods & dragons that me and my buddy use to play D&D in, have fun reading through the eyes of over 1000 characters lol

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Erikson ruined fantasy novels for me. Book of the Fallen was the most challenging and rewarding read of my life. It made almost everything else feel like YA fiction.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago

Also, fun fact: Tolkien converted C.S. Lewis to Christianity, who almost immediately disappointed him by adopting Anglicanism instead of Catholicism and then decided Tolkien's stories weren't Christian enough, so he basically wrote the Narnia books out of spite.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago
[-] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 12 points 8 months ago

Don't cite the deep lore to me witch

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

Tolkien is the best ever, but a lot of his stuff is inspired or ported directly from Catholicism.

[-] ElmarsonTheThird@feddit.de 22 points 8 months ago

This but also various mythological bits and pieces from England, because Tolkien wanted to create an English mythology akin to the Odyssey, Edda or Niebelungen.

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[-] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

A lot of that Catholicism stuff is just Christianity with local gods and figures retconed in using saints expansions.

And that whole Christian thing is just a Mediterraneanised/Latinized Zoroastrianism.

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[-] Doug@midwest.social 15 points 8 months ago

Yeah, Martin learned the "cribbed from history" trick from Tolkien

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Its good stuff. We dont know history anyway.

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[-] greenskye@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

It's all fanfiction all the way down from the original cave drawings anyway

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[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 24 points 8 months ago

GRRM wrote "Sandkings" which is one of my favorite novellas ever. He gets a pass from me.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 8 months ago

My bottom panel is getting swapped out for the husband and wife duo of K.A Applegate and the Animorphs books.

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

Writing world building is fun!

Writing actual fiction is boring and dull because if it's not a monomyth your editor is gonna removed about it

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