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I'm a leftist (vegantheoryclub.org)

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[–] Sorgan71@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I can see why we lost the election considering people like OP.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If someone said they were leftist then I would very much hope they were pro EU and pro Ukraine

It’s the far right that is against those

[+] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world -8 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

Nah dude. A good portion of leftists want Ukraine genocided.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The stated goal of the US State Department is to drag out the conflict for as long as possible. Years ago, Boris Johnson threatened to cut Ukraine out of financial markets if Zelenskyy held peace talks with Russia.

There's a group that wants as much suffering as possible out of this war. But it's not the people who recognize that being the proxy in a struggle between the US and Russia is only going to hurt the people of Ukraine.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

There's definitely some BS the west is imposing on Ukraine to drag this conflict out. It feels like it's to financially ruin Russia. I just don't understand why Russia doesn't cut it's losses and just take what they already have. Ukraine is never going to be a part of NATO so I don't understand the NATO expansion argument either.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee -1 points 1 hour ago

Russia could foil all those plans by simply ceasing the invasion and going home.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Right, because being willing to accept an end to the war in any other way than Zelensky’s impossibly maximalist goals means wanting Ukrainians to be genocided. Also history began on Feb. 24, 2022.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, I'm actually interested in your personal opinion. Are you pro Russian and if so why? Is there a long game being played out that fits your views with Russian expansion? Or rather the west's decline.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t think Russia currently has an interest in expansion. I already linked above to the reasons for Russia’s invasion, and they weren’t revanchism or Lebensraum, as Western governments & media claim.

It’s also often said that Russia is imperialist. I think that if Russia could be imperialist it would be, but since it presently can’t, it presently isn’t. Putin tried to join NATO once, to join the imperialism club, but the US rejected Russia, because the US wanted (and still wants) Russia Balkanized and re-plundered instead. Russia has figured out that it’s better off allying with Global South countries than attempting imperialist adventures upon them. And this war has accelerated that allyship.

Are you pro Russian and if so why?

I’ve answered this before: https://lemmy.ml/comment/9498456

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Thanks. The nuance is appreciated. If Russia "reclaims" Ukraine through total victory do you think they would allow the Ukraine identity to subsist? Are there more countries Russia would like to revanche? I think Moldova would be an easy grab.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 56 minutes ago

I think Russia knows full well that it can’t “reclaim” western Ukraine: few people there want to be part of Russia, and the Banderite fascists especially don’t. It would be a absolute nightmare to hold. There would be endless insurgencies and bloodshed, and it would be a huge drain on state resources. Russia wants what is says it has wanted since the 1990s: a neutral buffer state.

Keep in mind that when the invasion started, Eastern Ukraine had been in a civil war with Western Ukraine for almost a decade, and some in Eastern Ukraine had for years pleaded Russia to intervene. Eastern Ukraine is a very different situation from Western Ukraine. Russia had almost no issues when it “invaded” Crimea in 2014, because most of the people were glad to no longer be ruled by the Banderite coup government. They were right, too, because they didn’t suffer nine years of fascist paramilitary terrorism like their northern neighbors in Eastern Ukraine did.

Are there more countries Russia would like to revanche? I think Moldova would be an easy grab.

As I said, revanchism isn’t what this was ever about, despite what Western states publicly claim and Western media repeat. Russia would piss off its allies and its enemies if it invaded another country, and its enemies would probably ramp up their war machines against it significantly.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago

If Ukraine wants to breakup with Russia. The correct response is to not rape and murder them.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Citation needed

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Probably not left then

Just want to pretend they are because they aren’t as far right as someone they can point to

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago

I'm trying to avoid certain words on .ml. there are different kinds of "leftists"

[–] airportline@lemm.ee 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What if I’m neither?

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 hours ago

If you aren't one of these, then what are you? I guess there still is reactionary, off to the right of the image.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago

"You can't trust those leftists because they're just tankies"

The Tankie they're referring to:

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 11 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

This makes me sad, I thought we mostly agreed that what FDR did is a good way forward.

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