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One of the admins at lemmy.blahaj.zone asked us to purge a community and all of its users because they thought it was full of child sexual abuse material, aka CSAM, fka kiddy porn. We assured them that we had checked this comm thoroughly and we were satisfied that all of the models on it were of age.

The admin then demanded we purge the comm because they mistook it for CSAM, and claimed that the entire point of the community was to make people think it was CSAM. We vehemently disagreed that that was in fact the point of the community, but they decided to defederate from us anyway. That is of course their choice, but we will not purge our communities or users because someone else makes a mistake of fact, and then lays the responsibility for their mistake at our feet.

If someone made a community intended to fool people into thinking it was kiddy porn, that would be a real problem. If someone of age goes online and pretends -- not roleplays, but pretends with intent to deceive -- to be a child and makes porn, that is a real problem. Nobody here is doing that.

One of the reasons we run our instance the way that we do is that we want it to be inclusive. We don't body shame, and we believe that all adults have a right to sexual expression. That means no adult on our instance is too thin, fat, bald, masculine, old, young, cis, gay, etc., to be sexy, and that includes adults that look younger than some people think they should. Everyone has a right to lust and to be lusted after. There's no way to draw a line that says "you can't like adult people that look like X" without crossing a line that we will not cross.

EDIT: OK, closing this post to new comments. Everything that needs saying has been said. Link to my convo with the blahaj admin here.

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[–] ass_destroyer@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well shit. As a horny queer person I am active on both of these instances and I'm not sure how to feel about this.

[–] StarManta@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you really want to you can just make an account on either side of the divide. They’re free.

[–] ass_destroyer@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I actually already have accounts on both. It's just one of those weird things of federation that I can't see one side from my account on the other anymore.

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[–] Rengoku2@lemmynsfw.com 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is within their right to defederate from anyone as they please.

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[–] Bendavisunlv6@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They said that you were okay with the fact that users were specifically trying to make it seem like they were underage. Good to hear the other side of the story.

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[–] clopulous@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds to me like they are in the wrong, so I'm not sure what to do other than say, whatever. Not everyone is reasonable.

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[–] dm_me_ur_cock@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this is a perfect example of what federation is all about. If the Admins of one community are unhappy with the decisions of another they are free to voice that, and if they and their users want to defederate, they can. Personally, I just block all communties that aren't man and cock centered, and have no interest in anyone under 21, so try and block those too.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 22 points 1 year ago

I feel sorry for the poor blahaj name.

[–] 666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Yeah their reasoning for defederating is kinda dumb, but luckily anyone can just make a separate account for lemmynsfw so nothing really is lost. I kinda don't even see why someone would leave nsfw enabled on their main account, like do you wanna have sexy photos mixed in with your news, cat pictures, Hobby-communities?

[–] poweruser@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 year ago

Maybe I'm a weirdo but I actually prefer nsfw stuff on my main account too. Most of my feed on the old site was distressing news (climate change, war, politics etc) and made me feel awful in the way social media is uniquely adept at.

On Lemmy I still see that stuff but it's interspersed with boobs, which I find really lifts my mood

[–] MikeyMongol@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 1 year ago

I mean, this is my main account.

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[–] anaisrim@mastodon.social 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

@MikeyMongol

Hey, this Stanford Report on CSAM in the Fediverse might explain why instance admins are nervous about even the appearance of illicit content.

https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:vb515nd6874/20230724-fediverse-csam-report.pdf

[–] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's valid, but Ada didn't mention anything about the legalese, and specifically said it's not about the technicalities and more about her personal beliefs

It's also quite weird that she was making this statement about that completely innocent comm

The clear intent is to appeal to people looking for underage porn

when it might've otherwise been valid for fauxbait; that's an actually concerning comm, though the pics there are clearly watermarked with and taken from well known adult sites at least.

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I don't have a problem with lemmnsfw.com and find a lot of the material to be tasteful pornography. I rather agree with no body and image shaming. While my instance doesn't host any communities yet, I see no reason federate with them as similar communities can be found on other instances with much less heavy-handed tactics. I'll wash my hands of https://lemmy.blahaj.zone in solidarity.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 18 points 1 year ago

I appreciate the relative civility coming from both sides here. There's room enough in the fediverse for as many Lemmy instances as we require. Nobody should be forced to do something that they don't want to do whether that be to host content or to moderate content. I encourage users to respect the decisions of both instances.

[–] monogotooonnisuru@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 1 year ago (9 children)

FauxBait should definitely be purged though. WTF is that?!?

[–] LexiconBexicon@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's 18+ girls, you can literally see the watermark on every post

The title is a bit weird though, but everything you think is questionable can easily be googled without an issue because it's not illegal

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