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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[โ€“] sifr@retrolemmy.com 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I've been using Posteo for email since 2020. Love it. Mullvad for VPN.

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[โ€“] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Why treat Proton like it's the work of a single person rather than a large team?

[โ€“] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Companies are monarchies.

A single person speaks for that company and drives the direction of that company the workers making the product have little to no say in the overarching ideals and principles of that product.

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[โ€“] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

There was a reply from the official proton handle on mastodon doubling down on the Andy's take.

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[โ€“] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

CEO's get to decide what to do with the money the company earns. The workers dont.

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[โ€“] sykael@startrek.website 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Currently exploring my options, thinking of switching to Tuta. It sucks because I literally just paid for a Proton annual plan, looking if I can cancel it and get (part of) my money back...

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[โ€“] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Before you decide to go back to Google or close your account, keep in mind that Proton became a non profit organization with the main mission of protecting your privacy. And as a non profit, they're not trying to profit off of you in any way.

Going back to Google is the worst solution you can use. Remember that Google donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration fund. Google also doesn't care about your privacy. On the contrary, they're selling your data and using it against you.

While the Proton CEO may be a nut case, he's only praising the choice that Trump made as the candidate for the antitrust department. While that's understandably stupid since I don't believe Trump is going up stick up for the little guy now that he's got Musk and Zuck in his pocket, at least he didn't actively donated and enabled Trump either personally or through his platform and spread misinformation.

Think about it.

At least with proton, the fact that you're different, that you're 2SLGBTQ+, is safe. Or at least substantially safer than Google.

Yes, proton is about ten thousand times better than google, even with this board member's stupid fully factored in.

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[โ€“] TommySoda@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

God damnit I literally just got Proton going like 4 days ago.

[โ€“] LemoineFairclough@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (26 children)

It seems there aren't any exact replacements, but this probably lists service providers to consider: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/email/

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[โ€“] MITM0@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Does DisRoot count ? It has a myriad of services that are all FOSS tools Has a "Hub-App" on Fdroid

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[โ€“] Akasazh@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago

Damn it my two year subscription just got refreshed...

[โ€“] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I use mailbox.org its pretty sweet

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[โ€“] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Uhg. How much longer until it's more viable to self host...

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[โ€“] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

You could look at infomaniak, but I didn't have the best experience trying out (or even getting started with) their services. Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be tough (or at least it was from me while I was looking to escape from Tuta). Good luck, tho.

EDIT: Infomaniak is on F-Droid!

[โ€“] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be toug

Nobody should be using any provider as one stop shop... That's how we got cooked by Google and Apple the first time folks.

Unbundle, mix and match...

Yeah it auck Proton did this but if you only got one proton service, it is eaiser to either do nothing or switch it.

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