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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Truly unhinged that they decided to come out on this. Fellas, you are fucking Swiss why throw yourself under the bus for the US election

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 12 minutes ago

Damn it my two year subscription just got refreshed...

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I will continue to use Proton and their services, not because I support or endorse any political decisions from the CEO/board members (and I don't), but because they provide open source, secure, and private software that I love.

This is no different than arguing about using GrapheneOS based on the behavior of the maintainers.

[–] glitchead@programming.dev 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Oh no... I use Graphene... what's the deal with the maintainers?

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 4 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 54 minutes ago) (1 children)

This video seemed to have been the start of an anti-GrapheneOS movement. I won't get into details, because it's been explained to death, but it's here for your convenience.

I use and love GrapheneOS as well.

[–] glitchead@programming.dev 2 points 20 minutes ago

Thanks for the video, much appreciated. Never paid much attention to the project beyond their website... and I'm glad that's as far as I've gone lol

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 3 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that's it. lol

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 4 points 35 minutes ago

🤷 sometimes people grumble quietly until a final straw is added to the stack. Not surprising.

[–] Siathes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 26 minutes ago

Sooo, can we not create and/or finance our own? Please be gentle…but…is there not enough of us paying for proton and other privacy apps to fund a floss or non-profit version? I mean there are tech nerds all over this place, along with law nerds and political nerds…etc..(meant with love btw) that would have an instant user base.

I pledge here to sub up to $15usd/month for any lemmy person that starts an entity that provides us with what we need with ethics and morality of lemmy common.

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

OK I think I will move to Posteo. Great security, privacy focussed, servers in Germany, running with 100% renewable energy. Prices are ok, too. Ticks all boxes.

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[–] jaxiiruff@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 minutes ago

Overreaction as usual, shut the fuck up liberal.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

In all seriousness, I genuinely feel like the demographics of those making over 250K/year outside of Silicon Valley (proton is from Switzerland which is a center-right country), and outside of the arts industries, is probably bare minimum of lib-center, and probably most likely to be at least fiscally conservative, if not socially as well. Those kind of people are more concerned with maintaining their financial position than the issues plaguing the income classes that the individual has graduated out of.

I don’t think you’re going to find many CEOs that aren’t at least a little right of center or self serving in their business interests.

Getting to the top 1% income bracket is a lot easier than maintaining that financial position.

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works -2 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

why are so many people going apeshit with marketing and PR? yeah the guy seems to be a sycophant, licking boot to protect his business, while throwing out a couple of unfortunate truths

if or when Trump finally condenses the fascistic and white supremacist tendencies of the US overtly into the regime, would you expect Proton to lead the resistance? maybe Ben & Jerry's? or some other progressive BS posturing company?

why are we talking about what Proton stands for? it is not a person with ideologies...fuck corporate personhood

people looking for "good companies" is just sad

[–] red@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago) (1 children)

using services based on the ceo's political leaning instead of actual features and policies of that service? that's dumb, tell me when that political leaning reflects in polices of proton then we can talk

[–] rainerloeten@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

I guess the assumption is that over time they inevitably will have an effect and people want to switch before that happens.

[–] red@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 minutes ago

why exactly is it inevitable? and why should we switch before it happens?

[–] Anonymouse@lemmy.world 3 points 47 minutes ago

You're both right. I'd do the same to jump ship before the enshitification sets in. Often, I've seen how innocuous policy and feature changes creep in and before you know it, the switching costs are too high.

I had an app on my phone and one day they removed the export function. I only used it for backing up my data but when they raised rates and started slamming with ads, I wanted to leave but could not take my data with me. I ended to just uninstalling and starring over elsewhere.

Also, this is exactly what happened to reddit. They cut the api first so it was harder to take your communities and saved stuff with you.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Tweet is from early december. Why is it blowing up now?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 19 minutes ago

I guess on the one hand people are anxious about Trumps inaugeration and on the other hand this is a great opportunity for competitors or otherwise opposed people to launch an astroturfing campaign off of it.

When looking at posts titled has gone "full MAGA" for saying they feel Trump is more likely to enact antitrust rules against big tech than Democrats who let them down the past years, is just absurd.

It is the same line of reasoning like claiming the WHO to have been a chinese asset because they supported some of Chinas anti-Covid measures.

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