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[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 14 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Ah fuck that's one long mess of several words put together...

Let's see....

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[–] colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 days ago (4 children)

German infamously has a lot of long compound words but for those who struggle with them I have a question (I’m curious and there’s no judgment here - I totally understand that it’s hard): Canyoureadthissentenceeventhoughtherearenospaces? What about Orangecatsittingonamat? If yes, is it difficult in German due to having a smaller vocabulary in a new language, or something else?

[–] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 13 points 3 days ago

I think the biggest difficulty when starting out is that you don't know common endings and syllable structure, and so it can be hard to parse where the morphological boundaries lie. It's much easier once you understand those, though you will still find instances where two components are combined in an unintuitive (for the learner) way, particularly if the translation maps to a (apparently) indivisible root in the learner's language.

[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think it's funny that the capitalization of nouns in German is allegedly for readability, but at the same time we can cram the new testament into four words.

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[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Come on, I know there's Germans about. What the hell does it say lol? Here's what Claude says:

The fire department's rescue and firefighting group vehicle... It transports firefighters, ladders, tools, hoses... (text cuts off)

So I am guessing "Hilfeleistungslöschgruppenfahrzeug" is "rescue and firefighting group vehicle?"

[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 13 points 3 days ago (7 children)

American here who studied German for eight years, graduated with a minor in German, and lived there for one year:

I’m not sure how to properly translate this children’s book.

The long word breaks into easily-understood pieces:

“help-ability-extinguish-group-travel-thing”

But in order to get a proper concept back out of it you need to know what order the pieces go together in and I don’t know that.

travel-thing is a vehicle.

help-ability is emergency services

Beyond that I have to guess — Is group-travel-thing a crew vehicle, making this a crew vehicle for extinguishing?

Or maybe extinguish-group is a fire crew and this is a vehicle for fire crews?

Either way I feel like the author is using a lot more word-parts than they should have to for what is (clearly in the picture) better described as a pump truck.

I had to look it up, it's the technical term for a certain firefighting vehicle.

In particular, what distinguishes it from a normal crew firefighting vehicle (Löschgruppenfahrzeug) is its equipment for "Technische Hilfeleistung" (technical help-providing) which basically means it carries equipment beyond basic extinguishing agents. If you're physically stuck in your car after a crash, a Hilfeleistungslöschgruppenfahrzeug has to arrive to cut open the doors.

A Hilfeleistungslöschgruppenfahrzeug

A (small) Löschgruppenfahrzeug. Note that it only contains firefighting equipment.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No, that's actually the official term for a very specific type of vehicle. It's a hybrid between a Löschgruppenfahrzeug (a multipurpose firefighting vehicle) and a Rüstwagen (which carries equipment for light non-firefighting purposes).

People who actually deal with them just say "HLF".

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Its more like "assistance for firefighting group vehicle".

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[–] wieson@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The other commenters have already explained it diligently, but I wanted to hop on for something related.

As a German speaker, it actually irritates me a little, that English doesn't agglutinate. Let's take the word "gum ball machine".

Which is it? It's a machine. So are "gum" and "ball" descriptors of "machine"? Well no, they're all nouns. But they're not all subjects or objects of a sentence. They're one subject together. But they're not written together.

If I had a red gum ball machine, is it a red machine made out of gum that produces balls? Ok, it can also be spelt gumball machine. But that's still multiple words per concept.

I like my nouns to be one word if it's one thing and one subject.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Gumball" is the only correct spelling; "gum ball" is incorrect. So the gum and ball are at least connected. But you're right about "red gumball machine." The gumballs or machine might be what's red.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Google translate says "the rescue firefighting group vehicle"

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