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[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thanks! Every time someone tells me they are having issues with their Windows computer I will refer them to this official Microsoft guide.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago

It's not me saying they should switch to Linux, it's the official Microsoft documentation.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Don't. This guide is needlessly complicated and will just confuse people.

[–] 404@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ugh, I hate this. At a time when many are searching the internet for guides, they're injecting the search results with "It's better if you keep Windows. But if you really, really want to, you can go through the COMPLICATED process of installing Linux BARE METAL 😱"

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think that's exaggerating. The instructions are actually fairly neutral and extremely informative, minus the obvious upsells on Microsoft software and services. It's clear that they ordered the list of install methods by lowest complexity and highest user-friendliness, specifically for people who have only ever known Windows. It's a good thing for Linux to give this audience a fallback option if something goes wrong with their install and they are unable to use it or fix it. If they get frustrated or brick their PC the first time they use Linux, they'll likely go back to Windows and never return.

They explain virtual machines, dual booting, the various pros and cons to different install methods, which methods are suitable for which purposes... I wish I had such a helpful article the first time I used Linux.

Now, my cynical read on this article is that it's a way for Microsoft to avoid the appearance of monopolizing the desktop market: "see regulators? we show people how they can leave our closed garden ecosystem!" But the text of the article is hardly one massive scare tactic.

[–] 404@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I do agree. It just bothers me that they're trying to pass off emulating a Linux installation (under Windows hypervision) as "installing" and refer to a true install as "bare metal", as if your Windows installation isn't. But it does give new users a chance to try it out.

[–] mark3748@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Virtualization is not “emulating” and a bare metal install is a bare metal installation. These are standard terms. And it’s a hypervisor, no idea what the hell a hypervision is.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, you might be able to call WSL 1 emulation but WSL 2 is just a VM that's easy to use.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/compare-versions#whats-new-in-wsl-2

[–] PixxlMan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

This is clearly aimed at existing Microsoft customers wanting to use Linux for different purposes

[–] YMS@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Huh? That guide is pretty extensive in providing different options and ways, but it's not complicated at all. The whole thing is about 2500 words, that would be about 5 pages printed. That's probably much shorter than most Windows guides, and they are not typically offering so many options.

[–] serratur@lemmy.wtf 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  1. Coose a Linux distribution: Ubuntu, Debian, Kali Linux, OpenSUSE, etc

:')

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Sygheil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is nice find for kids pc.

[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Bruh I downloaded these tools when I was like 7

[–] TransientPunk@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1 w4n7 70 83 4 1337 h4ck32

[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

Is it bad I had no issues reading that? Highschool in the late 90's earl 2ks was the wild West for tech XD and my friend group communicated 1337 almost exclusively.

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

thanks Microsoft

[–] Fuzzypyro@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Why even include the section for dual boot on metal? Windows is just going to overwrite the bootloader next forced update anyway.

[–] Wiitigo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Keming issue*

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

All I see is WSL, WSL, WSL!

[–] Zellith@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have a Lenovo N22 Chromebook from like.. a decade ago. It has the linux install menu so in theory its meant to be a simple install, but every-single-time for 2 years of attempts, has failed. Anyone have any ideas on what I can do to get it up and running? Im kinda at my wits end with it tbh.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It has the linux install menu

The what now?
Get a USB stick, make it bootable, get your chosen distro on it and then boot from that on your Chromebook. Everything else should be self explanatory, assuming you're not going to some advanced distro.
Ventoy is a very easy way to do this, as you just drop the .iso files into its folder (and you can have multiple ones on the stick too), but not every single distro is supported (most of the commonly used ones are though).

[–] Zellith@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en

Basically you go into the settings and find Linux development environment and turn it on. Setup always fails for me. But yeah I have a few usb keys lying around. I'll charge this chromebook and give it another go later. Do you have any suggestions for a really lightweight distro? I just want to stop using it with chrome since updates ended a year ago.

[–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

That's installing Crostini, the vm/container (Debian). Which actually works really really well, especially on on higher-end CBs. But I'd be really surprised if it runs at all, let alone well, on a CB that old.

Better would maybe be replacing ChromeOS but I've never tried to tackle that myself.