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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Should get a regular salary

The operative word in that statement is should, Leon

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, I want waitstaff to be paid a living wage.

Until that happens tipping is a necessary evil.

[–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Or maybe tipping is enabling the practice?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Tipping doesn't enable the practice, but not tipping does negatively impact the people who are being taken advantage of by the system.

If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.

It is the same logical leap that says if we just keep not voting for Democrats, they’ll suddenly get better.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, same logic and predictable outcome.

[–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How is it the same? Democrat is not a job that needs filling. See what restaurants will do if their staff have to leave for better paying jobs.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

to pay a fair wage

Funny how in the dozens of conversations I've read on this subject, the people receiving the tips aren't the ones bitching about tips.

I worked at a payroll firm and many of those folks are making more than a "fair wage".

But the system MAN! Apparently servers are loving the system. Because they're absolutely silent in these threads. If you had your way, they would make less money. But I guess you could be satisfied that you brought "the man" down low. Worker solidarity, right?

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Lmao for real. When I was working as a waiter / bartender, I was easily making as much or more money than my managers and working 1/3 as many hours, all while my paychecks read $0.00 due to taxes.

The problem with that industry, for me, wasn't the money. It was the people. Especially the self-righteous assholes. I didn't even care if the occasional person tipped poorly or not at all, but if they were a dick head, and they didn't tip, good luck getting good, or if i could, any service from me in the future.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 month ago

No service industry worker in drag's country would consent to being paid less than minimum wage.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'm not even sure that's the case. I went to a restaurant where there was a required "tip" (regardless of party size) and then they gave the option for an additional tip. I assume they did that because a large enough percentage of patrons did not tip and I assume this is what businesses in the US would do in general, rather than just increase the prices on the menu which would give customers a more clear picture of what they'll be spending.

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 7 points 1 month ago

The whole cart and horse thing

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Does that mean you're going to harass the owners to pay them a living wage, Leon? Maybe hand them some literature, mount some social pressure or a boycott? Change the laws? Give the owners a pile of 'tip' money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages? Something?"

"No. I like the owners. They sell me milkshakes."

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Give the owners a pile of ‘tip’ money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages?

I think that last one might not be all that effective

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 points 1 month ago

I mean, something. That one gets the workers paid without them needing to enter into any kind of weird payment-is-voluntary servitude for it. It might also shame the owners into just abolishing the policy. Certainly it has a higher chance of success than just stiffing the workers and advising other shoppers to do the same.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 51 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If a better metaphor for communists on the internet exists, I haven't heard it. This is hard to beat.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

"You have a good point, but you aren't doing what you think you're doing"

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Disco Elysium house of cards communist moment is my personal fave.

Real life tho this is it

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 month ago

A lot of "Internet communists" don't much care for Trotsky either.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He was right. Tipping culture is horrible and should go away.

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let’s make living wages a thing first

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That's how you make it go away

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Right sentiment, wrong solution.

You don't fix workers' problems by being a dick to them and making it hard for them to afford to live - you fix workers' problems by inflicting the pain on the decision makers - employers and legislators.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The mistake was to push an individual solution to a systemic problem. He should have tried to get mandatory tipping banned.

[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Only systemic changes can fix systemic problems.

Not enough people understand this, apparently even Trotsky

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

Theory meets practice

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

C'mon, Trotsky, don't be a dick

Literally impossible

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

Fuck Trotsky, all the homies hate Trotsky.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago

He do be right.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 month ago

In drag's country, we listened to Trotsky. Nobody tips. And it's great. We have a living minimum wage and waiters actually get paid it.