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Pakistani religious body declares using VPN is against Islamic law (www.voanews.com)

submitted 1 month ago by annHowe@lemmy.zip to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/26423177

cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/28167168

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[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I love when a God type peeks in from heaven, from time to time, performs a technology review with his main human peeps, and together they conclude a VPN is probably bad for the community / personal development / a deeper connection with said God etc.

So cool. Praise be heavenly technical reviews.

[–] vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago

Thou shalt not browse The Internet

[–] pagenotfound@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

I can’t believe this wasn’t an Onion piece. Lol.

[–] magoosh@feddit.nl 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Guess any Pakistani corporation with some IT are breaking the law then

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 1 month ago

i doubt this law applies to beautiful legal people, just shiti organics...

that's how these regimes operate lol

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago

The title is (kind of) clickbait. It's actually just been ruled that using a VPN to access blocked content is against Sharia law. But fuck if that headline isn't funny

[–] iii@mander.xyz 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If jaweh wanted VPN, then why isn't it in the koran?

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Quran prohibits spying and other violations of privacy.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please forward this information to the pakistani religious body. They might've received a faulty copy of the document.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Read the article beyond the headline

[+] LEVI@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

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[–] blenderdumbass@lm.madiator.cloud 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

how and when you know it’s a necessity

I did the math actually. And it seems like mass surveillance will only be justified if homicide rates are higher than 20% ( if 1 out of 5 people die in murder ). And only if surveillance actually stops all the crime ( which it doesn't ) and only if there is nothing less problematic that could be used instead ( which there are plenty techniques, like normal regular investigation, where you ask people around on their own terms ). Basically the math says it isn't justified by an apocalyptic margin.

[–] LEVI@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Oh, Are you the same Blender Dumbass 2.0 ?

And only if surveillance actually stops all the crime ( which it doesn't )

When mass surveillance works, you lose your rights, and when it doesn't work as intended ( which as the government says to protect you from terrorists ), it gets things wrong and it can be too damaging, like when Google flagged a man who sent his child's photos to a doctor, or when Facial recognition system gets the wrong person, or when a bank algorithm locks someone of their own account due to suspicious activity.. etc

So we're damned when it works and we're damned when it doesn't.

Edit: how can I do the math? Do you have any links..

[–] blenderdumbass@lm.madiator.cloud 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Are you the same Blender Dumbass 2.0 ?

I am the same blenderdumbass as in odysee.com/@blenderdumbass:f and as in blenderdumbass.org

[–] LEVI@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

well, you're becoming famous :) .. interesting articles you got there 😁

[–] blenderdumbass@lm.madiator.cloud 1 points 1 month ago

😀

[–] blenderdumbass@lm.madiator.cloud 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

how can I do the math? Do you have any links…

I documented the math I did on this article: https://blenderdumbass.org/articles/Surveillance_Harms_1000_Times_More_Than_It_Helps.md

[–] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the answer is.. it's subjective, you just make up your own mind, and justify it with : it's a necessity, may Allah forgive me 🥺👉👈

The answer is when you are in a death situation.

No wonder, though. It seems like you don't even intend to learn facts about the religion you'll believe in.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

On the other hand, they've blocked Xitter in Pakistan.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

lmao, try stop me

[+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pedophilia is pretty common in organized religion, so probably not much. It’s in both the Quran and Bible. Idk about the Hindu faith, but Gandhi used to sleep nude with young girls, including family members, to test whether they got him hard or not, and he’s still adored by millions.

[+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of course. Otherwise you're racist, islamophobic, transphobic (you know, because of the trans-fat, i guess), republican, democrat, fascist, communist, ignorant, insensitive, probably a nazzi, certainly satanic, a lawyer, a doctor and a politician. Add to the list a conspiracy theorist and a nerd. But if you tolerate it, well, you're tolerant, a great human being and an all-together great human being.

Fuck me, I need the to get the fuck off of this piece of shit planet.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, well if you don’t, people say you’re a bad person. Despite religion being the driving force behind most of the evil that’s plagued the human race, we give it a free pass because most people are too scared to live life without the promise of something coming after.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I am a (very weird) christian, and I approve this message.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago

Muslim here can confirm this is wrong

[–] Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Summary by brave leo :

Pakistan's top advisory body on religious affairs, the Council of Islamic Ideology, declared that using virtual private networks (VPNs) to access blocked content is against Islamic law.
The government is pushing users to register VPNs with the state's media regulator, ostensibly to enhance cybersecurity and fight terrorism, but critics say it increases online surveillance and curbs freedom of expression.
The government claims VPNs are being used to access "immoral and porn websites" and to facilitate "violent activities and financial transactions" by terrorists.
Opponents of the restrictions say the increased push to control online activities is aimed at curbing criticism of the Pakistani military.
The government has announced a "streamlined" VPN registration process, but experts say it allows authorities to track online activities and limit privacy.
The nationwide internet regulation tool acquired from China increases the Pakistani state's capability to monitor communications, raising concerns about data breaches and online security.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago