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NGL, not asking for a friend. Given the current trends in US politics, it seems prudent to at least look into it.

Most of the online content on the topic seems to be by immigration attorneys hustling ultra rich people. I'm not ultra rich. I have a job in tech, could work remotely, also have enough assets to not desperately need money if the cost of living were low enough.

I am a native English speaker, fluent enough in Spanish to survive in a Spanish speaking country. I am old, male, cis, hetero, basically asexual at this point. I am outgoing, comfortable among strangers.

What's good and bad about where you live? Would it be OK for a outsider, newcomer?

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Working with a few of them. One moved here around 20 years ago, and one moved here 2 years ago. They're both doing fine. The rest I don't know very well.

Don't bring your politics over here, though.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm in the UK, and I work with a LOT of Americans already, so know this first hand:

  • You fuckers are always in for a culture shock when you realise that everywhere isn't like London. You seem to either expect London or Harry Potter Land, but when you end up somewhere like Bristol, Leeds, or Birmingham the frame of reference just dies and you see the wheels turning in your head trying to make sense of it all.
  • Weirdly, you seem to really like our supermarkets. They're a lot smaller than yours, meal deals are a novelty that never gets old, and paying the price on the tag is the greatest thing ever.
  • You love our bread, and our chocolate is like crack to you. You'd think that you'd moved to France or something...
  • Butter on bread will fuck you up. You use Mayo all the time, but we use butter/spread, and it messes with your minds.
  • You quickly learn that Europe is a continent, and that cultures across the continent are very different to one another. You also learn that no one knows US history that well, or that we had a war with you (since we have basically had a war with everyone at some point).
  • The drinking culture is a really interesting one. Some love it, some hate it. It's a staple of British life
  • We get paid a lot less than you do, but your money will go much further because you're not spending it on healthcare. You'll also get taxed a lot, but ultimately you'll earn enough to be comfortable, and a comfortable life in the UK is nice.

To answer your question, you're more than welcome here, and it's much easier to get a visa to the UK for you than for us to go to the US. Expect some people to give you shit for Trump, but give them shit back for Brexit and electing the Tories for 15 years.

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[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Okay I've read about three comments and I'm gonna need someone to explain the connotation behind the word "expat" because the only definition I can find is "Someone who resides outside their country of origin."

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Very online folks word lawyering to the n-th degree. Language shifts and has different meanings in different countries.

To play along, I've heard "expat" to refer to someone on a work appointment with a fixed timeline, say, someone who works for Microsoft being sent to France for 2 years. I've heard many Americans say "I'm immigrating to" to mean they are going through permeant resident or citizen pathways with the host country.

Others have a different read of the word, but as long as you aren't a jerk wherever you are going, it won't ever come up

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

New Zealander here. I work in IT. Americans seem to get on fine here in the IT sector. NZ is less right wing than the US but you wouldn't earn as much and housing is expensive

[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm in France and my cousin married an American.

Cost of living is high and the language is bullshit, but the standards of living are some of the best in the world. Very old established democracy and rule of law, workers rights, social security, and whatever the complete opposite of political apathy is. Culture is rich with a disproportionate level of global relevance for the country's size. The location is ideal in the middle of europe, with a good variety of landscapes and climate.

Internet is cheap and fast, but i don't know anything about the state of tech jobs.

I don't know much about the tax system either but my assumption is you might save money just on the healthcare alone.

Overall i wouldn't recommend, you'd be better off in a country with a language closer to english, such as most countries north of France. They'll have better english proficiency and you'll learn the language easier.

[–] multicolorKnight@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

France always comes up on lists of good places to live, and there are Francophiles here as everywhere. I admire the place, but I chose Spanish instead of French when it was time to start studying another language, so that die was cast a long time ago.

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[–] Magister@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Canada would be easy, but you cannot just go there and work

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 6 points 1 month ago

You hit the nail on the head when you said "expats or exiles"

They're immigrants, and it's only Brits and Yanks that refuse to admit it

I'm an immigrant. Learn the fucking language yous cunts. Respect the country's mindset. Pay your fucking taxes.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I would be doing that too, but you got to understand that other countries have other cultures, some things wil be better like free heathcare and better labour laws but other are not "as good". In europe they do control a lot of things we can access on the internet for example. If someone doesn't comply with an EU regulation they will be punished, it's not 'freedom of speach" without consequences like in the US. Also being entitled like many americans are will not work here. So like everything in life some people will be a good match for.one country and others for other countries.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Wanna move and work remotely for your current company I guess? Why should we welcome you instead of someone who wants to come here to fill up a vacant position that we don't have workforce for?

You can't have your cake and eat it too just because you're angry that the wrong guy got elected. There are people around the world getting bombed, they're the people who need to get out of their country, not a tech bro that could just move to a State that reliably elected Democrats.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago

Austrian here, I work in software development, I have encountered people before who didn't speak much German and whom I had to speak English with. I think you'd be fine around here, we're a pretty generic Western culture I think.

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