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We have all sinned, every one of us. Even if we didn't realize it at the time, we see our actions years later and are disgusted with ourselves.
The time for purity tests are over, it's time to admit that deep down the human experience is being a giant piece of shit, but it is also trying to cleanse yourself of such burdensome humanity and grow into something far kinder, far smarter, far more empathetic, far more patient, and above all, far more wonderful than a human being.
I mean there's sinned, and there's raped and trafficked people. So it really depends on what the person did and on if you want to support that or not. I don't think refusing to watch works from pedophiles or abusers is a bad thing. I refuse to watch Polanski for what he did, I don't care if his latest movie is good, I won't watch it. But I can watch Guillermo del Toro movies and not feel guilty, despite the fact that he signed a petition to pardon Polanski, but what I can do is not put people in Hollywood on a pedestal so high that it hurts me when I have to remove them from it.
Otherkin rights!!!
I think there's a difference between enjoying the media of a problematic person vs continuing to financially support said person and give their media continued relevance, thereby continuing to give them a platform with which to spew bigotry and hate.
(This comment is about she who shall not be named)
I think we'd be hard pressed to find media to enjoy if we needed to make sure we agree on everything with the author...
#however
that cunt is a special case because, it's not just a case of an author having shit views in their personal life or voting a certain way quietly.
she's an activist, whose sole purpose in life has become making life worse for a certain group of people. incredibly vile and full of hate, and very vocal about it. using her platform consistently in the worst possible way.
also she's a bad writer.
There's a world of nuance between having to agree on everything and platforming loud bigots
I'm not known for being concise: part I
I think we’d be hard pressed to find media to enjoy if we needed to make sure we agree on everything with the author…
Just wanted to add that I don't even agree on everything with MYSELF.
The legacy JK would have enjoyed if she just kept her fucking mouth shut and hired someone to clean the damn mold in her house.
all bigotry requires some obstruction of mental faculties but I've never seen anything like transphobia. true mental illness, people seem to be especially losing their mind over this particular kind of hate for some reason.
people with otherwise great privilege, wealth and power just forget about living their lives and dedicate immense energy is not their entire existence to this. eventually paranoid schizophrenia sets in and they find themselves transvestigating people. wild drug.
I think we'd be hard pressed to find media to enjoy if we needed to make sure we agree on everything with the author...
You should look up Bloodywood.
In July of the same year, Bloodywood partnered with online counselling site HopeTherapy and released the song "Jee Veerey", dedicated to fighting depression and mental illness.[14][15] On 15 January 2019, the band released "Endurant", a song dealing with the topic of bullying.[4]
Along with the messages included in their songs, the band aims to support various social/charity causes. With the release of the video for their song "Jee Veerey", they gave away pre-paid online counselling sessions.
Upon returning to India from their 2019 European tour, Bloodywood donated the earnings to Posh Foundation, a local NGO that cares for homeless animals, for the purchase of a new ambulance.[22]
She already have the fame, my enjoyment of her work by pirating will literally do nothing to her.
Don't give more money to the millionaire mold-brain witch, pirate her shit 🏴☠️
I think Kevin Spacey may be one of the best (most skilled) actors of his generation, and among the best across several generations. A true peer of Dustin Hoffman.
I was shocked by the allegations, and crushed when it became evident (to me) that it wasn't a smear campaign.
In a way it's crazy that I can be so emotionally engaged with someone I've never met, likely never will, and who has no idea I exist. OTOH, it's not surprising when people we respect, or even idolize, turn out to be not only merely human, but morally flawed in particularly inexcusable ways.
I still feel sad and betrayed by Spacey, and it'll forever taint my ability to enjoy his incredible performances.
If you had paid any attention to gossip in the 2000s, you'd have heard about Spacey being a creep. It was an open secret.
"Goddammit, he was so good at playing a creep! Why did he have to turn out to be a real creep?"
I was curious about a furry I used to listen to in high school (Two the Griffin) and looked him up the other day to see what happened to him only to discover he became a Nazi pedophile and is why I had not heard of him for so long.
And since he was the furry equivalent of Maddox, I now question if Maddox is/was also a racist pedophile...
2 the Ranting Gryphon? Shit, they fell down hard it seems.
Oh no! Time to retroactively pretend the thing I liked was always bad.
Oh boy, time to point out the show that was made by a creeper had warning signs all along, but was shutdown when I previously criticized the show.
BTW, the people who wrote Transformers 4 should be investigated.
Ah, the first one is Cosby and not Alf.
Don't really need an investigation to know that Michael Bay is a sex pest, I'm pretty sure that one's actually all the way out there.
Right? Like you can still enjoy their shit but not them personally. You can be a talented shit waffle
Yeah, that's completely true. It's up to each person to decide what their standards are and where they draw the line. Like Roman Polanski anally raping a 13 year old and using his money and fame to leave the country and avoid the prison time may be across one person's line while another person says, "Eh, what can you do? It was almost 50 years ago." Also true, but that piece of shit is still alive and making money--from people who like his work at least enough to keep consuming it.
Yeah you're on the ball. You got to draw lines somewhere. I'm not going to listen to a band whose bit is to run over baby rabbits with a lawn mower on stage. If you're just a general fuck stick, though I'm more willing to accept that to a degree
I don't understand the obsession with moralizing people. Artists don't have to be role models.
That's how you end up with a Hollywood full of sex pests
It's a side effect of the commercialization of art.
Artists that don't offend anyone sell better and selling as much as possible has become all that matters to all the people who enable artists to continue making art and experience more tangible and real forms of artistic success
Eventually everyone internalized it all so much that it's a common misconception that every artist has a duty to be as commercial as possible and as such to be a role model. But only in ways that doesn't offend anyone who's in the target demographics.
It sucks big floppy donkey dick, but that's how the boring dystopia that is the real world works 😮💨
This reminds me, I should listen to some hardcore rap while my SO is out.
I think the only actor I absolutely can't stand because of RL actions is Mark Wahlberg.
Dude committed multiple hate crime assaults before he was famous. Then he tried to brush them off as water under the bridge when they surfaced, without even giving reparations to the guy he partially blinded.
And then he repeatedly plays the "misunderstood heart of gold tough guy" in all his movies.
Just can't look past it.
No, say it ain't so, not fawking Marky Mark!!
Feel it, feel it.
The copium in some of these comments... Keep giving your money to terrible people so they feel rewarded for their acts and can continue to abuse others. I'm sure that will work out for the best.
I agree, there is a difference between separating the art from the artist and straight up sticking your head in the sand so you can feel good about yourself.
Harry Potter fans tripping over themselves to give Joanne more money while saying "well, she has some bad opinions, BUT..."
Fantastic example.
And where to find it
That's why I pirate all media I engage in. That way I never support horrible people.
Or you could do that by default while very selectively supporting specific artists. That way you can both stay within your means and exercise moral discretion over who you support.
But what if the artist I choose to support turns out to be a creep later on? Do I keep the bought media or throw it out?
You can't take back what's already been given, so you just learn and move on. Whether to keep their art or throw it out is your choice, just don't support them in the future.
For example, I own a painting by Salvador Dali. Salvador Dali - if you don't know - is a fascist. I inherited the painting, and even the previous owner likely purchased the painting after Salvador Dali was dead. My owning the painting does not support Salvador Dali in any way, and the painting has nothing to do with his fascist views. Most people would not recognize that it is a Salvador Dali painting and even fewer would know about his political leanings. It doesn't bother me to hang the painting on my wall, and in the right context and company it can even make a good conversation piece.