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[–] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

science fiction is in space and fantasy has castles.

I will take no further questions.

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Counter point Star Wars. Magic powers, magic swords, rescuing princesses, chosen one prophesies.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Star Wars is 100% a Space Fantasy. A boy goes on an adventure accompanied by a wizard to save a princess and become a knight.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

as the other commenter said, there's very little science fiction in star wars. It's more fantastical creatures and magic and shit. it's actually fantasy. Star trek however, that's scify

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Vader even has a castle

[–] DharkStare@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would argue that science fiction and fantasy are the same thing and the only difference is the explanation for how all the cool stuff works.

Functionally, there's no real difference between a portal that takes the characters to another world using a wormhole and one that does it through through magic. Just like how there's no difference between Vulcans/Klingons/Wookies and Elves/Dwarves/Beastmen. Both are intelligent non-humans.

[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 8 points 1 day ago

There are disappointingly few epic space battles in fantasy though.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Fantasy is right-leaning while SF is left-leaning. Easy peasy.

[–] FardyCakes@lemmy.world 92 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Am I the only one that is seeing this as a joke referencing Stalactites and Stalagmites? Like I also think that it fits as a good thought experiment, but is the joke so obvious that no one is stating it? Or is am I just reading something into it that's not there?

[–] DharkStare@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The joke is so obvious there's no need to comment on it so others, including myself, are using this as an opportunity to post our opinions on the difference between sci-fi and fantasy.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago

I’ve only read your comment so far, but I thought it was obvious enough to be surprised your comment was in top

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

You seem to be one of the few commenting so far.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I used to get them confused until a visit to Luray Cavern. The tour guide explained that one “held ‘tite’ to the ceiling while the other just ‘mite’ reach it.”

[–] wieson@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

They look like:

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[–] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's easier than that: c for ceiling, g for ground.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I just remember it intuitively based on vibes. Stalagmites sound bulky and lumpy, and stalactites sound sharp and light.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

What was it again in science fiction, hard and soft? Whereas hard is more realistic and soft has more fantasy.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Science fiction is based in reality and usually just extrapolates what we know is scientifically possible, just not with current technology. They can usually explain how stuff works because it's based on real science to some degree.

Star Trek is science fiction.

Fantasy really just follows the rule of cool. If it's cool, throw it in. It's based on nothing but what the writer thinks is cool as shit.

Star Wars is future fantasy.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Absolutely 100% wrong.

Star Wars is ancient fantasy, it happened A LONG TIME AGO in a galaxy Far far away

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Of course, they don't say how long ago that is. I mean the 1920s kind of seems like a long time ago.

And all galaxies are far, far away.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The best rule: It's fantasy if there is a sword.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Tachyon beams: sci fi
Batleth fights: fantasy

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

BAT'LETHS ARE NOT SWORDS! THEY ARE KLINGON BLADE WEAPONS! TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

^(Okay,^ ^they're^ ^swords.)^

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I always liked the distinction (I forget who originated it) that science fiction is a story set in a world where the rules are defined by physics and fantasy is a story set in a world where the rules are defined by the author.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Skua@kbin.earth 46 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Star Wars is absolutely fantasy that happens to be set in space

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't know if you're brave or foolish, but either way, vaya con dios. The Star Wars fans are relentless.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can only speak for myself, but as a Star Wars fan, I'm very aware it's fantasy. Shit man, it's got wizards.

[–] GCanuck@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Babylon 5 had wizards.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

All I know is that a lot of Star Wars fans accept convoluted explanations for what Han Solo could have meant by doing the Kessel Run in under 12 Parsecs rather than accept that he just meant "ship go very fast." And at the same time not be concerned with how there could be the concept of a falcon a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

The people who hate star wars the most are themselves the biggest fans of star wars.

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[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago

If it's not from the fantasy region of middle earth then it's just sparkling fiction.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why does this analogy make sense to me for some reason?

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 26 points 1 day ago

Fantasy is almost alway low-tech, Sci-fi is almost always high-tech. As such, fantasy tech levels could be compared to starting low and going high, while sci-fi starts high and then goes low as it tries to explain the concepts it's introducing.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Because in the classical Jungian style of analysis, imagery of the basement of a childhood home was a revisiting of the past.

Likewise "up from the floor" indicates ancients coming up from caves, ancient monsters to be slain, underground dungeons. The primitive unchained and revisited.

...and using Freud's principle of the inversion; down from the ceiling is indicative of from the future.

Prometheanism, featuring stories of Science only taking us so far before we fall from the ceiling, or rather it chaotically falls on us.

The idea that a return to primative barbarism and violence can also come from above, from technology, from the future unknown, from advanced beings, complex plans, or outter space.

So whether it's up from the floor (ancient past) or down from the ceiling (unknown future) - it's coming for us, with risks and dangers we're not ready for...

...or so the stories go.

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[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've been reading stories from the Hatsune Miku rhythm game app, that almost straddles the line between urban fantasy and unexplained sci-fi. The premise is that instances of the vocaloids live in personalized virtual worlds for different (small) groups of humans. The humans can teleport to these worlds by playing a special song on their phone, or the vocaloids can project themselves as holograms from the humans' phones. It's almost sci-fi because it mostly works within constraints of technology. For example, you get booted out of the virtual world if your phone runs out of battery, and if your phone gets shorted out, it can prevent the vocaloids from projecting themselves until the phone is repaired (though if the phone still works otherwise, they can voice chat.) Also the special song can be transferred to different machines and still works. But then what makes it more fantasy is that the song and worlds are created from the humans' feelings (and if they lose the song, a new copy will appear for them,) and it works without internet connection (if one member of a group is stranded and another isn't, they could have a vocaloid relay a message.) And then just recently I read a chapter where some characters were able to access their virtual world through their dreams, without needing the song file in the first place. For me, that's what completely tipped the scale into urban fantasy.

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow. Thank you for typing that up! What an amazing mind the author has to come up with something so uniquely different, at least that I've read or heard of.

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

I don't know who writes it, and I wouldn't exactly call it a masterpiece (though to be fair, I am reading translations,) but it is a fun premise. I started reading it because it's one of the few sources of official Hatsune Miku lore (though ultimately everything is canon,) but the stories focus more on the human characters, with the vocaloids mostly just being there to support. Still, the stories can be compelling.

At this point, half the reason I'm still reading is for the human characters, and the other half is to find details on the premise, such as how it works with thermodynamics, whether the cafe world has an economy, how biological the vocaloids are (do they need to eat?), and how long it's going to be before anyone finds out that their bestie/sibling/trainer/etc has their own virtual world too (they don't do a great job of keeping it secret, but they also don't do a great job of investigating.)

[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Enders Game instilled the importance of adjusting your frame of reference. What was up can become down.

So it’s science fiction but when you consider a collaborative global human response to existential danger it’s fantasy.

But the Shadow series shows how quickly we go back to weaponizing and using gifted war trained children as tools of conquest… so realism/horror?

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[–] Isa@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And the one, floating in through the open window … how was that called again?

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